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    Quote Originally Posted by CnC Bartok View Post
    I will treat that comment with the utter disdain it deserves.

    Just as an interesting, albeit irrelevant aside, I have a small - inch square - piece of Dvorak's doctorate gown from cambridge in my possession.....
    How on earth did you end up with that? That's a great souvenir!

    I also think 26 is one of the better Haydn symphonies, unjustly ignored I suppose as a result of not being part of the London symphonies (when you've got 104 symphonies to your name, a few are bound to slip through the cracks!). The recent recording in Antonini's cycle is masterful and in great sound. In any case, I've got your back if Animal tries to start anything.

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    ....a friend was responsible for restoring it a few years back. A couple of bits needed replacing, they snipped a little bit off just for me, knowing I was a fan!

    And thanks for having my back, but don't forget he's got Burgess, Maclean, Philby AND Blunt on his.....

    The Lamentations comes off very variably in the recordings I have. I rarely say this, but Dorati is pretty dull and ploddy in it, and Marzendorfer is honestly quite close to awful. But it seems to come off wonderfully if given the wound-up motor treatment in the first movement , Pinnock is superb, as is Kuijken. Somewhere in between is Nicholas Ward on Naxos, not quite as adrenalin OD'd, but very powerful. Those are the three is tend to listen to the most (I have Kuijken's in the car...)

    I'll definitely look into Antonini as well....
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    Another thumbs up for the Antonini from me too. Nice recording and like you, CnC, I like Ward's recording a lot too. It's a nice, lively Lamentatione. Far better than aome others I have.

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    Got a couple of the Antonini recordings through the post yesterday, and I think these are going to get my thumbs up as well. I have to confess the Lamentations Symphony was not what I was expecting, different from other esteemed recordings I have, and maybe a bit opaque in terms of rhythm in the first movement, but particularly beautiful in the two following movements.

    I have to commend Alpha on their programming of individual CDs, on the recording quality, and on their presentation. Quite why I need a picture of some chap half naked in the rain for this particular CD is anyone's guess, but the photos and the booklets are beautiful, and they make each release treasurable. But I think this is going to cost me a lot of money between now and 2032......oh well, can't take it with you.....

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    I thought the ClassicFM article was ridiculous (apparently the writer agreed). Attempting to rank over 100 symphonies in a short space of time is idiotic. But really, how can anyone truly rank them no matter how much time they had? I could've stopped reading after finding the Symphonies nos. 48, 52 & 83 as low in his opinion as they are. But that really isn't the point. You can't rank symphonies by any of the greater composers. Would anyone wish to rank Beethoven's symphonies? Music by many of these composers has to be placed in the context of when they were written. And as far Dave Hurwitz is concerned. He obviously loves Haydn. He's pointed out, at least to me, some interesting things about the lower number symphonies which show them to be less ordinary than one might think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicInTheAir View Post
    I thought the ClassicFM article was ridiculous (apparently the writer agreed). Attempting to rank over 100 symphonies in a short space of time is idiotic. But really, how can anyone truly rank them no matter how much time they had? I could've stopped reading after finding the Symphonies nos. 48, 52 & 83 as low in his opinion as they are. But that really isn't the point. You can't rank symphonies by any of the greater composers. Would anyone wish to rank Beethoven's symphonies? Music by many of these composers has to be placed in the context of when they were written. And as far Dave Hurwitz is concerned. He obviously loves Haydn. He's pointed out, at least to me, some interesting things about the lower number symphonies which show them to be less ordinary than one might think.
    I think we have here. Yes.

    Favorite Beethoven Symphony

    We've done the same with Bruckner's Symphonies: Ranking Bruckner Symphonies

    It just gives us all an opportunity to discuss their merits, complexity, groundbreaking ideas, and even hum-mableness.

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