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    More on the Oxford vaccine dosage issue: 9,000 volunteers got the two full doses as planned, while 3,000 got a half-dose jab initially and then a full-dose jab a month later. Astonishingly, this seems to have been accidental! Efficacy for the first group was 62%, while the jabs were effective in 90% of the second, smaller group of volunteers.

    Two issues: First, all of the people in the second group were under 55, so the efficacy of the half-dose full-dose approach is unknown for older people; second, I have to wonder if a screw-up of the magnitude that seems to have occurred in such a closely-watched and important trial will damage trust in the final trial results.


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    Science largely advances on serendipity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Here in the good ol' USA the Supreme Court ruled Wednesday that churches are exempt from state guidelines limiting public gatherings.

    SCOTUS wants to kill churchgoers.


    What does Clarence Thomas have against god???
    Your statement is absurd. All SCOTUS is doing is upholding the individuals right to make their own health decisions. Those who fear can wear a mask.
    "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places." Ephesians 6:12

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    Your statement is absurd. All SCOTUS is doing is upholding the individuals right to make their own health decisions. Those who fear can wear a mask.
    Yes, the statement is absurd, but I consider it a fact that SCOTUS is playing a part in spreading COVID.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SixFootScowl View Post
    Your statement is absurd. All SCOTUS is doing is upholding the individuals right to make their own health decisions. Those who fear can wear a mask.
    "Make their own health decisions." And then walk the streets and visit grocery stores, sharing their bad decisions with perfect strangers.

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    A small church congregation held a coffee-&-cake family party here in Copenhagen just the other day, but not really keeping up with precaution measures. 30 people among them were then infected.
    Last edited by joen_cph; Nov-28-2020 at 00:13.

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    In fact, I believe that the SCOTUS ruling was targeted on specific bans on worship gatherings in New York. It seems the court was impressed by arguments that higher-density gatherings were allowed in other venues, such as grocery stores, and thus the bans discriminated against the practice of religion.

    I think broader conclusions concerning the court's intent are likely unwarranted.


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    Quote Originally Posted by KenOC View Post
    I think broader conclusions concerning the court's intent are likely unwarranted.
    Based on Amy Coney Barrett's history of writings, I think broader conclusions are inherently warranted, and obvious. This court will be the most regressive since Roger B. Taney's court

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    I've been in churches and I've been in grocery stores. The population density of the former often is far greater than the latter. The Hassidic wedding incident in the Brooklyn synagogue was exactly the sort of potential superspreader event that Cuomo and DeBlasio hoped to curtail. But everything is in God's hands.......

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    Why are people still putting out the ‘individuals should be able to make their own health decisions’ crap when it comes to the pandemic? If people choose to not wear masks in the presence of others particularly at close quarters indoors then they are making health decisions for those around them and they are not the right decisions. Indoor church services have been one of the most likely to be spreader events, far more than grocery stores, liquor stores, bike shops and other stores where people are moving past each other masked and with a few feet between.

    This decision by SCOTUS appears to be the beginning of decisions that are going to put right-wing religion ahead of common sense. I wonder whether James Madison would have had in mind that, constitutionally, people should have been allowed to crowd into church services regardless of government directions not to during a smallpox epidemic? Or maybe in that day, it didn’t occur to him that people would be stupid enough to do so.
    Last edited by DaveM; Nov-28-2020 at 03:30.

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    Darwinism at work. Except friends and relatives, and casual acquaintances, and passersby of the soon-to-be-eliminated-from-the-gene-pool will also be affected.

    Oh well. There were too many people anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Based on Amy Coney Barrett's history of writings, I think broader conclusions are inherently warranted, and obvious. This court will be the most regressive since Roger B. Taney's court
    The GOOD news is that Supreme Court justices can be impeached, and at least three of them have already provided impeachable conduct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Based on Amy Coney Barrett's history of writings, I think broader conclusions are inherently warranted, and obvious. This court will be the most regressive since Roger B. Taney's court
    Indeed. Like you, I have noticed that rulings I find disagreeable are almost always the result of regressive and even Neanderthal political and societal biases of knuckle-dragging judges, while more agreeable rulings are usually models of top-drawer and even-handed jurisprudence!


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    This thread is about vaccines and the coronavirus. It is not about politics or religion. Please make sure your posts focus on the coronavirus.

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