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    After millions crowded in airports over the last few days and the family gatherings apparently planned, we’re in for a heck of a spike in this pandemic in 1-2 weeks. It’s not an exaggeration that thousands of deaths may be the result, many of which may be the older mothers, fathers, grandmothers and grandfathers that were being visited.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mmsbls View Post
    This thread is about vaccines and the coronavirus. It is not about politics or religion. Please make sure your posts focus on the coronavirus.
    Man, yeah, policing this thread on the pandemic, the disease, the handling, and the vaccine, has got to be irritating.

    You're aware that the problem is NOT because WE are inserting religion and politics into IT, but rather, religion and politics have inserted themselves into the issues of vaccines and the coronavirus?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    Man, yeah, policing this thread on the pandemic, the disease, the handling, and the vaccine, has got to be irritating.

    You're aware that the problem is NOT because WE are inserting religion and politics into IT, but rather, religion and politics have inserted themselves into the issues of vaccines and the coronavirus?
    Specimen thread downstairs in the political Groups.....

    https://www.talkclassical.com/groups...9-and-the.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    You're aware that the problem is NOT because WE are inserting religion and politics into IT, but rather, religion and politics have inserted themselves into the issues of vaccines and the coronavirus?
    Point of order: religion and politics don't insert themselves into anything. PEOPLE insert religion and politics into places where they don't belong, like public health during a pandemic. It's just shameful, and has led to many unnecessary deaths and is leading to many more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Point of order: religion and politics don't insert themselves into anything. PEOPLE insert religion and politics into places where they don't belong, like public health during a pandemic. It's just shameful, and has led to many unnecessary deaths and is leading to many more.
    Thank you for the correction of a significant detail.

    Details and context are important, and are often missing in discussions of import.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Specimen thread downstairs in the political Groups.....

    https://www.talkclassical.com/groups...9-and-the.html
    Thanks. I often forget that there are groups for more contentious subjects, and even when I remember, I can't remember how to find them.

    Once there it seems that the format isn't the same or something . . .

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    https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/study-...224321438.html

    "WASHINGTON — Face coverings, including masks made of cloth, are highly effective in protecting the people who wear them as well as those around them, according to a new study from Linsey Marr, a leading aerosol scientist at Virginia Tech University.

    “Filtration works both ways,” Marr said. “If it works for source control,” she said during a media presentation on Monday — that is, if the mask filters out particles coming from the wearer’s mouth — “it’s going to work pretty well for exposure reduction to protect the wearer also.”

    Testing 11 different types of face coverings (nine cloth masks made from coffee filters, cotton and other materials, a surgical mask and a face shield), Marr and co-author Jin Pan found that many of the materials they “challenged” with particles meant to simulate the coronavirus exhibited a 75 percent filtration capacity. A high-quality cloth mask consisting of three layers could allow filtration as high as 90 percent. Crucially, that accounts for incoming particles as well as outgoing ones.

    The efficacy of surgical masks had been widely known. Their use was endorsed in a Wall Street Journal op-ed by former Food and Drug Administration head Scott Gottlieb published on Sunday evening. He encouraged people to wear N95 respirators or, failing that, surgical masks. “The level of protection depends on the type of the mask,” he wrote, cautioning people away from bandanas and other loosely-fitting face coverings.

    Marr’s study suggests that cloth masks work better than some have claimed, in part because many virus-bearing particles are significantly larger than previously thought. Her study adds crucial new information about the relative benefits of cloth masks, which people find easier to wear — and more stylish — than their light-blue medical counterparts.

    In particular, the study noted that a mask that contains an interior filter made from a common vacuum bag “achieved outstanding performance.”

    The question of specific materials aside, the study counters the long-held misconception that masks do not protect those who wear them. Last week, some right-wing media outlets seized on a Danish study whose methodology has been criticized as slipshod and whose findings have been deemed inconclusive."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pianozach View Post
    Man, yeah, policing this thread on the pandemic, the disease, the handling, and the vaccine, has got to be irritating.

    You're aware that the problem is NOT because WE are inserting religion and politics into IT, but rather, religion and politics have inserted themselves into the issues of vaccines and the coronavirus?
    Groups that were on fringes, like anti-vaxxers, are now the MAIN-STREAM why do you think it is so? I know many people who got all the vaccines before and werent against it but now have second thoughts...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    https://www.aol.com/lifestyle/study-...224321438.html

    "WASHINGTON — Face coverings, including masks made of cloth, are highly effective in protecting the people who wear them as well as those around them, according to a new study from Linsey Marr, a leading aerosol scientist at Virginia Tech University.
    ......

    The question of specific materials aside, the study counters the long-held misconception that masks do not protect those who wear them. Last week, some right-wing media outlets seized on a Danish study whose methodology has been criticized as slipshod and whose findings have been deemed inconclusive."
    There are supposedly three levels of medical masks (besides the N95 ones) and you can google the descriptions of the level of protection each offers. I never see much official recommendation as to what level is appropriate for COVID-19 protection. I would think level 3, the highest, is what you should go for if possible but that is not what is on the shelves of the big pharmacies. Most of those are unmarked, actually.

    You want a multilayer mask, not the cheap single ply paper ones I was given as a visitor to my local hospital at the start of the pandemic (and which they have since replaced with better ones).

    I have decided that two masks might be best. I wear one into the doctor's office where they always tell me to remove my mask and take one of theirs because they know theirs are fresh -- except that everyone else has been sticking their fingers into the same box to pull out a mask. So I put theirs over mine and they are OK with that.

    There is a lack of guidance from authorities on mask use and everything pandemic-related, as if the authorities are reluctant to be too authoritative. Maybe they are afraid to take any strong stance since things are changing all the time. After all, Trump never lets Fauci forget he said something months ago that is now known to be wrong--of course that's the nature of scientific knowledge.

    Or maybe the authorities know that some people will resist directives and they don't want to push it too much. I am glad to live in a blue state where most people comply because they understand that it takes everyone's cooperation to fight this virus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamme View Post
    Groups that were on fringes, like anti-vaxxers, are now the MAIN-STREAM why do you think it is so? I know many people who got all the vaccines before and werent against it but now have second thoughts...
    People of a certain age got their first vaccines as kids and had no say in the matter, but they probably got used to the idea of vaccination. Most of these were lifetime vaccines so there was never a need to reconsider vaccination in their adulthood. Until recently.

    Now we have vaccines that must be taken every year and people start to ask why. Especially if it's for something like flu which most people don't fear very much. And they have no memory of the terrible diseases which these lifetime vaccines wiped out so they've gotten complacent about the need for vaccination.

    The resistance toward a COVID-10 vaccine is partly because some people don't fear this disease very much. They observe that its deadliness is mostly limited to older people whom nobody really cares much about, let's face it. No one wants to be old and no one wants to think about older people and everyone would like their inheritance. Or sick or overweight people -- get in shape and watch your diet and you'll be fine, right?

    Of course COVID-19 kills some young healthy people but not enough of them to make a deep impression, apparently. The lasting effects it leaves on some people who survive it don't seem to worry too many people either even though we don't know the full extent of those yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flamme View Post
    Groups that were on a fringes, like anti-vaxxers, are now the MAIN-STREAM why do you think it is so? I know many people who got all the vaccines before and werent against it but now have second thoughts...
    Anti-vaccine sentiment may seem “mainstream” to you — and we can acknowledge that this fringe belief is more popular than ever — but the science hasn’t changed. Reality isn’t decided by a popularity contest. Just because a lot of people believe fringe anti-science doesn’t make it any more valid.

    And nothing is more dangerous than misinformation in a global health crisis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Anti-vaccine sentiment may seem “mainstream” to you — and we can acknowledge that this fringe belief is more popular than ever — but the science hasn’t changed. Reality isn’t decided by a popularity contest. Just because a lot of people believe fringe anti-science doesn’t make it any more valid.

    And nothing is more dangerous than misinformation in a global health crisis.
    This again reminds me that our media has a hand in legitimizing "fringe anti-science" by pretending that there are two equal sides to every story.

    "Here's our panel today:

    "First, astronomer Saul Adelman from The Citadel's Physics Department in Charleston, South Carolina, and co-author of Bound for the Stars: Travel in the Solar System and Beyond.

    "We also welcome, by satellite feed, president Kay Burns of The Flat Earth Society, a multidisciplinary artist specializing in performance art, locative media, audio, video, photography, sculpture, and installation.

    "Let's start with Ms. Burns, or should we address you by your performance persona, Flat Earther alter ego, Iris Taylor?"
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    Flat Earther = a dog barking at a vacuum cleaner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Flat Earther = a dog barking at a vacuum cleaner.
    Nature abhors a vacuum.

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