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    Default Live recordings. Cough and applause. Can you stand them?

    What's your opinion?
    Is coughing and/or applause, deal breaker for an otherwise excellent live recording?
    For me, absolutely. I just can't tolerate both.
    I don't own many live recordings just for these two reasons. The moment I detect either of them, the recording will go on the shelve for ever. I will never listen to it again. Thankfully, there are too many choices for good recordings.
    In the Concert halls there is no alternative but in my private listening, when I am in my favorite composer's musical universe, there is no need to suffer the "noise pollution"...

    Glenn Gould's humming is something different...

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    I agree with John Cage, coughing is good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    I agree with John Cage, coughing is good.
    If it is a concert of works by Cage, the more coughing, probably the better.

    In other contexts, I prefer there not to be coughing. I don't mind applause at the end, especially if there is a slight pause after the music ends. If there is such noise over the music, especially in quiet parts, that can be a real annoyance, although not necessarily a deal breaker if there are sufficient reasons to value the recording.

    Edit: In our current crisis, it is interesting that coughing has taken on a very different aspect. When I was in the pharmacy waiting to get my flu shot a few months ago, one woman began a bit of a coughing fit, and everyone started to look at her as if there was blood gushing out of an artery. Fortunately, she was fine, and had just accidentally swallowed her breath mint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    I agree with John Cage, coughing is good.
    It's not good in late Feldman. This I know from experience, and it makes me almost want to say that the music is better on a studio recording than in a concert, where there are just too many distractions of the coughing variety.

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    Serious answer: I don't mind coughing, shuffling of feet, clapping, humming, wrong notes, or any extraneous sound during a live performance or recording of a recital/concert. My attitude is life is messy and I am not interested in the pursuit of perfection.

    I prefer live recordings to studio ones.

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    I've come to accept it, although sometimes it's just ridiculous. I'm thinking of old Sviatoslav Richter recordings from Russia and Czechoslovakia where I'm guessing 90% of the adult population were heavy smokers.

    Can't remember which recording it was that I heard, with either Richter or Gilels, where the coughing was so much in the foreground of the recording that the piano playing was like an extraneous background noise.

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    I think its kinda cool, gives it a natural feel if it is moderate..The cell phone ringing is wholly another matter tho...
    'Listen, Mister god!
    Isn't it boring
    to dip your puffy eyes,
    every day, into a jelly of clouds?'

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    I heard an anecdote about Arthur Rubinstein. He said in most places of the world people with a cough and a cold went to a doctor but wherever he was playing they'd come instead to his concerts!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    Serious answer: I don't mind coughing, shuffling of feet, clapping, humming, wrong notes, or any extraneous sound during a live performance or recording of a recital/concert. My attitude is life is messy and I am not interested in the pursuit of perfection.

    I prefer live recordings to studio ones.
    It’s quite a big issue, not what you prefer, but the relative merits of live versus studio. But in a smaller way, I just find long form Feldman hard at the best of times, but harder when there’s someone next to me scrunching on some mint imperials, someone in front of me texting her friends and someone behind me rummaging in her handbag.
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    The most notorious example is during the Schreier / Richter live from Dresden. Half the audience appear to be in advanced stages of bronchitis!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christabel View Post
    I heard an anecdote about Arthur Rubinstein. He said in most places of the world people with a cough and a cold went to a doctor but wherever he was playing they'd come instead to his concerts!!
    Take two Rubinstein concerts, and call me in the morning if you aren't better.

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    Probably, the most interesting recording of Brahms' Piano Concerto #1 that I have ever heard is the infamous live recording that features Glenn Gould and Leonard Bernstein from about 1965, where Bernstein addressed the audience first and stated that even though he disagreed with Gould's dynamics and tempos, that he was conducting it that way anyway, on account of the respect he had for Gould's integrity as a musician. Interestingly, Bernstein himself would be criticized by others for the liberties he took with dynamics and tempos in his later career during the 1980s (most notably his DG recording of Tchaikovsky's 6th).

    Anyway, as great as the Gould/Bernstein recording of Brahms' PC#1 is, the slow movement is practically unlistenable due to the noise you hear from the audience; it's just a series of coughs, sniffles, and sneezes.

    Especially in these days of social distancing, I feel like I have to wear a mask just to listen to it, let alone enjoy it.

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    The worst I ever experienced was at Covent Garden, Boris Godunov. The end, the Tarkowsky production, I think John Tomlinson singing Boris, it was unbelievably good, and he was in his final, tragic aria, the audience was rapt, it was as if he was singing just for me, I was thinking that this is the best way to spend your life, there is nothing better to do than go to the opera. I will no nothing else with my life than go to opera.

    And then someone’s mobile phone goes off in the row behind me.

    And then there was another deeply embarrassing time at Covent Garden, a mediocre performance of something by Verdi, I forget what. I had a cold, it seemed to be getting better. But in the first half I couldn’t stop myself coughing for a short time, or so it appeared to me. In the interval all was OK but as I arrived at my seat I heard someone say, “Look, here comes Mr Cough.”

    I wanted to die.
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    The most notorious example on my shelves is during the Schreier / Richter live from Dresden. Half the audience appear to be in advanced stages of bronchitis!
    Of course there is the case of Jon Vickers who broke off his Tristan monologue to tell an audience member: “Stop your damn coughing!”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Handelian View Post
    The most notorious example on my shelves is during the Schreier / Richter live from Dresden. Half the audience appear to be in advanced stages of bronchitis!
    Of course there is the case of Jon Vickers who broke off his Tristan monologue to tell an audience member: “Stop your damn coughing!”
    I thought he said to the audience in Texas “Stop rattling your damn jewlery!”
    Last edited by Mandryka; Nov-19-2020 at 13:16.

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