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    Please, help me identifying these musics or folk songs from the Caucasus


    Hello!

    I am not a musicologist. Sorry in advance if I use the wrong vocabulary. Plus, my english is far from perfect.

    I am looking for these musics's band names or titles. As a person from western Europe, (France) who knows little to nothing about the peoples from the Caucasus, It is very hard for me to find any clues.
    I am not going in details of how I descovered and started getting interested in it recently. It basically begain with discovering Georgian cinema.

    Sorry for my big post. The details are to give clues to people who might know something about these cultures and regions and help them identify the pieces.

    I'll try to embed the links well with the time jump URL format for you to simply click right to the parts I talk about.

    I can't tell why, but these music are so beautiful to me that they put me in trance . I love the rythmes, the instrument, the voices. I am so desperate to find more from these singers , folks song titles if any, or bands.


    I an tell this much:

    I am pretty sure the first music is from Georgia as it is the place they are at for this episode,
    The second is most likely from Kabardino Balkaria for the same reason as up.
    The third one is possibly from Azerbaijan or Dagestan. I can not be 100% sure about this.

    Usually, when I am looking for songs and pieces that I hear in a broadcast, like any of you, I suppose, I just wait for the credits at the end, and search for any mentions of the names of the music contents.

    Kafkas Rüzgârı is a turkish broadcast about the cultures and music of the Caucasus.
    It is in turkish, a language I don't speak, it doesn't keep me from enjoying the dances and musics it shows. When there are bands or musicians that are the main features of an episode, their names are said over and over , so I can try to guess how to write their names down.

    Sometimes though, there is going to be music used in the background when the chapter is showing things like city streets, a museum, a place, things that are not directly refering to a precise band. So they put background music. Such background music is never reffered to in the written credits at the end.
    I did try to rewrite all the words of credits where I wanted to know a music, and have each job before each name translated from turkish to french in order for me to find the musicians if they were referenced. Alas, the only musician referenced in this broadcast is allways the guy who composed (or mixed probably) the intro music only. Music used as background during the actual episode of the broadcast isn't reffered at all.


    So here it is.

    In episode 3 and 7 of Kafkas Rüzgârı, taking place both in Georgia (you can tell by the various maps we see during the intervals and the reporter says "Gurdjistan" many times, which is "Georgia" in turkish), we hear music that comes from a same piece but cut at different points for each episode.


    In episode 3, begins at 0:30
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sj0nIEzuYoc&t=0m30s

    In episode 7, at 30:43
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDHfuAx6eKw&t=30m43s

    then, in episode 45 of Kafkas Rüzgârı , again
    after the intro jingle, we are shown a map of the car trip the reporters take. That's where it begins, at 00:38 . They go to Terek, capital of the Kabardino Balkaria republic, a nation state part of the Russian federation from what I understand.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46pXYf51PQs&t=0m38s

    A bonus that I would love to know too is if the inter chapter jingle is based on an existing folk music or from a band or whatever. You can hear it as the reporter tells about their next destination at 05:17
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46pXYf51PQs&t=5m17s

    Music 3 that I look for is from a clip of a community YouTube channel of people dancing Lezginka.
    The video's title and guy's name seems to be originated from Azerbaijan from what google translate tells me. I don't speak Azeri but unless there is multiple accents or dialects of it, I don't think the song is in Azeri because I allready followed dance tutorials in Azeri ( tutorials that can be followed succesfully with just knowing how to count in Azeri). And Azeri doesn't seem to have a handful of phonemes that we can hear in this vid that are very foreign to my ears especially the consonants. My best wild guess is that this song is in Lezgi, which is spoken in a region in the north of Azerbaijan. But really, I have nothing to back up this idea other than my intuition. No info could be found in the video comment, and in the comment section (I tried copy pasting the word "music" in azeri and Cntrl + F to search for it , if by any chance someone asked what music it was. Which someone did ask but wasn't answered succesfully.
    Music begins right away after the short title jingle.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBcm7oob2uc



    Last part of my resquest isn't about music from the Caucasus .

    It's to ask if by any means, one of you recognizes the singer.
    It's from a french animated series Orson & Olivia, a Dickens story style inspired series about poor children living in 19 century London.

    There is one of the boys of the gang, like most children in animated series, is voiced by an adult impersonating a child's voice role all the time, but for this episode, he sings Christ Mas carrols composed for the ocasion (in french) at various points. When the character sings, it's a pro young boy, (I think?) probably from a choir, and he performed on 1995 or a little earlier for this series. The series was released to broadcast on 1995.
    I wanted to know if possibly you recognized his voice, if not his name, the name of the choir he is from. Because unfortunatly, here too, the name of the singer or the choir isn't mentioned in the credits.


    Here are each of the parts where he sings.



    03:39
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-HE7sgfyw&t=3m39s

    08:11
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-HE7sgfyw&t=8m11s

    From 09:31 to 09:52
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-HE7sgfyw&t=9m31s

    at 20:23
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fE-HE7sgfyw&t=20m23s




    My requests may seem very specific, obscure , exotic or foreign but I am desperate of not finding more from these guys. This music sounds like it's from heaven to me.

    Thank you very much for taking the time to read me.

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    AFAIK I`m the only Turkic person around these parts and I have no idea on any of the excerpts. Turkic people just love to plagiarize so I seriously doubt it if you can find the names you search for.

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    Hello, Highwayman
    Thank you very much for taking the time to read and listen.

    It looks lazy indeed that the reporters didn't make what was necesary to have the musics referenced.
    Possibly it's because people don't want to go through the work of sending requests of permission to use the music , in languages they might not know and have to hire an interpret, waiting for answers by mail, having to pay copy rights and so on. A lot of people other than turkic do that. The idea is that you steal a catchy piece for giving music background to your broadcast, hoping no one will take it seriously and start international justice procedure.

    I still enjoy Kafkas Rüzgâri a lot. They actually did reference a few of background musics in the credits of other episodes. Not all the music, and not the ones I wish to know about unfortunatly.

    The best chances I get to find people who might know these would be to find forums in that region's languages. Forums in Russian, Georgian etc. Needless to say I can't say a word nor read in any of these.

    Who knows? Maybe a person from over there who does knows can be in this forum or join later and stumble on my request? It's not forbidden to hope.

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