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    Hi this is my first post, and I just wanted to introduce myself!

    My name is Becky, and I play piano (working for grade 8), violin (working for grade 6), I sing (working for grade 8), and I also have a harp (to say I play it is pushing it - I sit there and look at how pretty it is mostly!) and I play a little guitar just for fun!

    Although I love playing I love composing more, and I am hoping to study it at university.

    Well thats it for me... except to offer a little explanation for my what-could-be-concieved as depressing name "Drowning by number" - its a Micheal Nyman composition, and if you haven't heard it you must!!

    Take care,

    Drowning_by_numbers

    x x x

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    Hello Becky!

    Welcome to the forum!

    What works are you practising right now? And in what kind of works do you compose?

    All the best!
    Daniel

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    Hi Daniel!

    Well there's a Sonata I'm playing by Beethoven on piano I'm really enjoying, and theres some great pieces I'm singing such as 'Music for a While -Purcell, The Forsaken maiden (struggling to remember who its by at the moment), and 'Ophelias Song' by Maconchy.

    I compose lots of differnet things - I haven't really settled on a style yet! I've recently composed a piece based around Schubert's lieder set to words by William Blake, which I think is the best thing I've ever written. I've put in on a site somewhere.. I'll hunt out a link to post! My favourite types of music are like minimalism and quite modern experimental music as well... bu I'm also really one for the classics!

    I've listened to some of your pieces - they are really fantastic!

    Take care,

    Becky x x x

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    Hello Becky,

    Sounds really nice. What words by William Blake?

    And thanks for the compliment.

    Greetings,
    Daniel

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    Its rare to find a fan of uber-modern experimentalism. What kinds of stuff are you interested in? and please find the site to your compositions, that sounds really interesting. What do u mean when you say that you based your compositions after Schuber lieder? Like textpainting or borrowed parts of his actual work?
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    The words are set to 'The Angel' by William Blake, its a great poem.

    I mean text painting, and the idea of the motif in the accompaniment - for example the poem is about aging, and the basis of the entire piano part is based around a single motif that is supposed to sound like clockwork.

    I'm considering putting my compositions on sibelius music, but I'm a little unsure about some of the terms and conditions applying so I will have a look and then hopefully post the links here!

    As for experimental music, I have really only just started to appreciate it. I really love the idea of free expression without all the need for perfect tonality. I really like minimalist composers as I've mentioned (though I suppose minimalism is very structured), so people like Philip Glass, John Cage, Nyman... and then also I love people post classic tonality like Micheal Daugherty, Tan Dun and also some modernism. Are you interestedin this style of music at all? If so, any recommendations would be appreciated!!

    Take care,

    Drowning_by_numbers

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    Absolutely. You've hit where I lie musically exactly B) .

    Minimalism is an amazing form of expression. A lot of people don't appreciate it, but I feel that it accuratly represents the 20th century as a world of repetition. Where nothing changes, and when it does, its so minut that no one seems to care. There is more too it than that, but I really enjoy it. My favorite is Glass. If you haven't listened to Einstein on the Beach, you should, and a newer one which is fantastic is called Uaki (its based on different amazon rivers).

    You say you enjoy free expression then I say your main man is gonna be John Cage. Amazing work the guy has done. Thing is, a lot of times (in some people's minds) his work is better taken to appreciate the idea rather than the mastery of the music itself. Personally I think its a combination of the two. His idea (and anyone is free to retort or elaborate on this basic ideal) is that EVERYTHING and I mean EVERYTHING is music. Whether we like it or not, everything on this earth is music. Its a very interesting concept and has taken many composers far, but his is kind of the breaking point. All that to say his prepared piano works are fun, a little more musical than some of his other work. A little more modern you can listen to his Living Room Music and Contructions in Metal. He has a nice Seasons too.

    I myself have thought about putting some compositions onto Sibelius, but I found that I like Finale's system so much more, regardless about how hard it is to finally publish it. Do what you like and Sibelius has a much better reproduction of intruments but its hard, at least for me, to get the system.

    I hate to make this post any longer, but a "new" opera composer that you might really enjoy is named Tod Machover. His opera Valis, is quite amazing.
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    Hi, thanks for your reply!

    It's great to find someone, other than my music teacher, who understands where I am coming from with this! My family are a little... sceptical!

    I just love Glass! I'm listening to Glassworks at the moment! I'll definately look up the other names!

    I studied Cage briefly last year - focusing mainly on 4.33 and his piece that lasts 600 years - some very interesting ideas!

    I agree, I'm finding the sibelius music website very confusing, and thewre is something in the terms and conditions about them having rights...?? I'm going to have to read it again... I just want to make sure I'm signing away the rights to my composition or anything!!

    Thank you very much for all your recommendations, and opinions - like I said its great to talk to someone who knows his stuff!!

    Take care,

    Becky

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    Modern music is quite enjoyable if you pay attention and actually understand what is trying to be accomplished. A lot of people think its pointless or unintelligent. Different isn't bad. Anyways, I wont start my ranting. Have you listened to Steve Reich? He is one of the original minimalists. His Music for 18 Musicians, though a little long for my taste, really shows how minimalism started and grew. It's quite interesting. He has some other fun stuff too.

    Also to add: I just listened to an absolutely AMAZING Reich piece today. Wow. Its called "You Are variations." its for 6 Sop. 6 Alto 6 Ten, (no basses) and a varied number of orchestral intruments along with 4 pianos and synths and 4 mallet players. Its quite something, please look it up. If you have no luck, message me and I can lead you in the right direction!
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    Hello,

    Vivaciouswagnerian, you have written, that Cage meant everything to be music. And exactly that is the point for me to answer. This kind of definition is just making a "liquid idea" of art. Like "everything is everything"... "everything is art", "everything is music", "everything is...". But I don't think this is the way to get an idea of life. Life is not one countryside, you have so many differences, and you need clear definitions for a clear understanding.
    My general example without any special relation: A clapping window is no art for me just if it is supposed to be art. Art is more! But this question leads a bit more far away. It is worth an own thread.

    Greetings,
    Daniel

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