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    Beethoven: Cello Sonatas Op 5 plus variations Matt Haimovitz (cello) and Christopher O' Riley (fortepiano) on Pentatone

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    This is the first disc of a two disc set. I'm a big fan of these work - muscular early Beethoven.

    This set features period instruments, including a Broadwood piano from London dating from 1825. That firm had earlier gifted Beethoven a piano - the model immediately preceding that used here. And it sounds rather good!
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    Ludwig Van Beethoven: Symphony No.4
    Carl Schuricht & the Orchestre de la Société des Concerts du Conservatoire, Paris

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    This moment with love: Brahms, Violin Sonatas In G Major And D Minor. With Carl Seemann (neighbour from Bremen and fantastic guy, pianist & teacher) and Wolfgang Schneiderhan (big violin player from Vienna) I don't know so much music to write something for such performers. Simply awesome. (1XLP, DG, 1966)

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    Joseph Haydn: Missa in Angustiis 'Nelson Mass' & Te Deum The English Concert directed by Trevor Pinnock on Archiv Prduktion

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    Fine accounts of the Haydn 'Nelson Mass' and Te Deum

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    Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5
    Philharmonia Orchestra - Ashkenazy


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    Bach: Preludes and Fugues for Organ, BWV 531-536
    Marie-Claire Alain

    I’m enjoying a hot, lazy summer afternoon; giving my headphones a workout and blasting Bach’s ecstatic polyphony into my ears. This is what is life is about
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    Beethoven - Symphony No.7
    Orchestra di Padova e del Veneto, Peter Maag

    I finally bought Maag's complete LvB symphony set last month. What a musician and what a wonderful provincial orchestra!



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    Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 3 'Polish'
    Philharmonia Orchestra - Ricardo Muti


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    Apart from the Leningrad and Babi Yar, Shostakovich's symphonies are basically an unknown quantity for me and it's time to rectify that. I've picked up the Barshai/WDR set and will stream the Kondrashin one - any recommendations for other sets/individual performances much appreciated.

    Starting with Symphony 1
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Haziz - I wonder what you may think of Furtwangler's recordings, and others of his vintage, if they benfitted from the same state of the art sound as Honeck's recording? I appreciate this is a purely hypothetical question and I am not trying score any points here as I genuinely find it difficult to do comparisons between recordings of different vintages and wonder if this a peculiarity particular to me or a general issue - I tend to try and listen through the old sound and balance my view taking that into account.
    Wouldn't it be great if we had everything in a equal sound quality to compare the greats of yesterday with todays maestros.

    Sorry folks didn't mean to derail the thread.

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    Yes. Of course the sound quality is one of the main factors that turns me off of recordings from earlier than about 1955 - 1957, and is a big issue when it comes to Furtwangler's recordings, and others of that vintage. It is not the only issue however. Listening to Furtwangler's recordings and trying quite hard to keep an open mind, I am not particularly struck by his artistic merit or vision. He was probably a competent conductor, indeed judging by the amount of adulation he tends to receive, he was probably more than competent. I have not listened to a lot of Toscanini either, mainly because of the same issue with recording sound quality. If I am asked to dive into the great Furtwangler vs. Toscanini debate, I would probably say neither, but if forced to pick one, I would probably side with Toscanini. My only exposure to Toscanini is via some of his Beethoven recordings.

    Somehow I am OK with practically any recording from about 1957 onwards, and am OK with a handful of recordings from 1951 on (Kempff's Mono Beethoven Sonata cycle, Karajan's Beethoven Cycle with the Philharmonia on EMI [1951-1955], Ansermet's superb 1954 recording of Borodin's Symphony No. 2). I am very tolerant of tape hiss, I think my main issue with vintage recordings from before 1957 is mainly a lack of dynamic range and sound which somehow manages to be both "thin" and "constricted". I am not sure how else to describe it.

    I did genuinely try to give Furtwangler a real listen within the last couple of years. I even started a thread regarding his recordings asking about both sound quality as well as artistic merit. I listened to many of the recordings suggested. I am still quite underwhelmed.

    My thread from earlier regarding Furtwangler:

    Furtwangler Sound Quality?
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    Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 6 'Pathetique'
    London Philharmonic Orchestra - Vladimir Jurowski


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    Quote Originally Posted by haziz View Post
    Tchaikovsky: Symphony No. 5
    Philharmonia Orchestra - Ashkenazy

    Piotr's 5th is for me the best symphony (with Anton's 9th) ever composed. I can't remember right now if I have this recording, but, as I have written, I'm not Vladimir's (as director) biggest fan. This opinion came from Sergei's symphonies, which I found somehow flat under his (Vladimir's) direction. As a pianist is GIANT, no doubts here. Excellent hearing, my friend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haziz View Post
    Yes. Of course the sound quality is one of the main factors that turns me off of recordings from earlier than about 1955 - 1957, and is a big issue when it comes to Furtwangler's recordings, and others of that vintage. It is not the only issue however. Listening to Furtwangler's recordings and trying quite hard to keep an open mind, I am not particularly struck by his artistic merit or vision. He was probably a competent conductor, indeed judging by the amount of adulation he tends to receive, he was probably more than competent. I have not listened to a lot of Toscanini either, mainly because of the same issue with recording sound quality. If I am asked to dive into the great Furtwangler vs. Toscanini debate, I would probably say neither, but if forced to pick one, I would probably side with Toscanini. My only exposure to Toscanini is via some of his Beethoven recordings.

    Somehow I am OK with practically any recording from about 1957 onwards, and am OK with a handful of recordings from 1951 on (Kempff's Mono Beethoven Sonata cycle, Karajan's Beethoven Cycle with the Philharmonia on EMI [1951-1955], Ansermet's superb 1954 recording of Borodin's Symphony No. 2). I am very tolerant of tape hiss, I think my main issue with vintage recordings from before 1957 is mainly a lack of dynamic range and sound which somehow manages to be both "thin" and "constricted". I am not sure how else to describe it.

    I did genuinely try to give Furtwangler a real listen within the last couple of years. I even started a thread regarding his recordings asking about both sound quality as well as artistic merit. I listened to many of the recordings suggested. I am still quite underwhelmed.

    My thread from earlier regarding Furtwangler:

    Furtwangler Sound Quality?

    Try this sample of Furtwangler's 1944 recording of the Eroica - you'll be astonished.

    Pristine give a generous 12 minute excerpt.

    Their recordings are expensive, but some of them are exceptional and worth every penny .....

    https://www.pristineclassical.com/pr...def33381&_ss=r

    P.S. It's the best Eroica ever recorded
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    Giuseppe Verdi

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    Concerto for Percussion by Joseph Schwantner

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