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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    All speaker connections used to be this way.


    If this is what you got, they're usable just as they are. I you wanna put banana plugs or something fancy on you can, but it's not necessary.

    Like others have suggested, if your Wharfdales have surrounds that haven't deteriorated you should be good to go.
    Unless we are at cross-purposes I would say I do need banana plugs at the OTHER end of the cables, NoCo - I wouldn't be able to plug into the amplifier otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Have you checked the speaker cones by removing the front grills? The only reason I ask is that the rubber that is around the paper cones the Wharfedales used (IIRC) may have perished after this length of time, especially if they have been stored in a hot/warm environment - it isn't always a problem and many speakers seem to go on for ever.
    I'll fish them out and have a look.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    I find that a little bizarre. Almost every speaker I have ever owned has had binding posts which can be connected using speaker wire (glorified lamp board). You just strip the ends, thread the wire through the binding post and screw down. The same on the back of the amplifier. Usually you can also connect using "banana" connectors but I never pick that option because it seems to me that better electrical connection is obtained by screwing down tightly on the wire itself.



    Sometimes the less expensive speakers have spring loaded connectors, in which you insert the end of the stripped wire and and spring loaded thingy clamps down on it.



    Those strike me as not as good.

    I wonder how old those Warfdales are. My dad was a HiFi buff in the 1950's and built his own speaker cabinets for a set of Warfdale Drivers. I remember they sounded splendid until the driver materials degraded and they fell apart in the 1990s. I also had a nice sounding little pear of Warfdales that I got in the 1990s, made in China.
    I've only owned about four or five sets of speakers ever - one set did have the spring connectors, as I recall.

    I'm guessing the Wharfedales I have are from the 70s - according to the address badge on the back they were made while the Rank Organisation were Wharfedale's owners.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    These adaptors may help - never tried them but saw them when I did a little search:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/mtp04-4x-...8AAOSw7ThUq7SQ

    Or a local HiFi store would probably make up a pair of cables for you with banana plugs at one end and spades at the other, I'm presuming spades are what you are describing.

    Hope that is of use.
    They do work from our experience I was going to post it.

    Good luck Elgar

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    Still not sure how to get the grilles off - I know they can come off because I've seen pictures of Linton IIs like that but they still look pretty rigid to me as well as being inset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    Unless we are at cross-purposes I would say I do need banana plugs at the OTHER end of the cables, NoCo - I wouldn't be able to plug into the amplifier otherwise.
    MOST banana posts -- not all, but MOST -- screw down, allowing you to put the fork connectors underneath the banana post and tighten it down.

    But as everyone else has mentioned, cables aren't brain surgery. You can on put any ends on you want. As long as the gauge (thickness) of the wire is adequate, all cables are equal (despite woo merchants who'll tell you otherwise).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    MOST banana posts -- not all, but MOST -- screw down, allowing you to put the fork connectors underneath the banana post and tighten it down.

    But as everyone else has mentioned, cables aren't brain surgery. You can on put any ends on you want. As long as the gauge (thickness) of the wire is adequate, all cables are equal (despite woo merchants who'll tell you otherwise).
    Point taken - thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    Still not sure how to get the grilles off - I know they can come off because I've seen pictures of Linton IIs like that but they still look pretty rigid to me as well as being inset.

    I'd guess that they simply pop off.

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    Just guessing -- many of these older speakers has four pieces of Velcro in the corners of the grills. Try prying them off with a putty knife at the bottom edge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    MOST banana posts -- not all, but MOST -- screw down, allowing you to put the fork connectors underneath the banana post and tighten it down.

    But as everyone else has mentioned, cables aren't brain surgery. You can on put any ends on you want. As long as the gauge (thickness) of the wire is adequate, all cables are equal (despite woo merchants who'll tell you otherwise).
    You can also simply wrap the stripped wire around the binding post and screw down. You would need a simple wire stripper, which has always been part of my tool chest, since I am an inveterate tinkerer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Is that the Ruark Etude bookshelf speakers you are talking about Merl. Lovely wooden cabinets and a decent sound I believe although I have never heard a pair.
    Aye but they weren't Ruarks and not bookshelf, I was gutted when he bumped the price as I know how good those early 90s speakers of (a certain company - name withheld) were. Cracking sound and but for some gobshite giving him the wrong info I'd have got them for a song. Oh well. I'm reluctant to say anything more, as I don't want these particular speakers to show up in an Internet keyword search, as I'm still playing dumb and he's made a similar mistake to you in assuming they're Ruarks when they aren't. I'm still negotiating on the premise that they aren't Ruarks (they aren't). I'll pm you in a minute, EG. It's an interesting story.

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    Just make sure that the speakers are in phase when you set them up. I forget what the protocol is, but the net result is that they sound much better when properly in phase. It is merely a matter of listening to something and then reversing the leads on one of the speakers and listening again, and picking the best result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Strange Magic View Post
    Just make sure that the speakers are in phase when you set them up. I forget what the protocol is, but the net result is that they sound much better when properly in phase. It is merely a matter of listening to something and then reversing the leads on one of the speakers and listening again, and picking the best result.
    Good point, red-to-red, black-to-black. A fool proof way to check its to put the two speakers nose-to-nose, grill cloth-to-grill cloth, separated by an inch or less. Set playback to mono mode, if possible, or use a mono source. If the speakers are out of phase the bass will disappear (destructive interference). If they are in phase healthy bass will be heard. If the speakers are separated as they normally are imaging/sound stage will be weird, which will be a less obvious indicator.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baron Scarpia View Post
    You can also simply wrap the stripped wire around the binding post and screw down. You would need a simple wire stripper, which has always been part of my tool chest, since I am an inveterate tinkerer.
    That's how the present speaker cables are connected to my amp - I thought it was with jacks but on inspection I remember that was on a previous bit of kit.
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    I have a pair of Wharfedale Valdus 200 speakers that I bought new in 1997. Apart from replacing the speaker foam on the drivers, they are still going strong after 24 years.

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