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    Quote Originally Posted by jegreenwood View Post
    You quoted NoCoPilot who was reiterating my question to the OP, asking for a clarification. Who were you addressing?



    Assuming you were responding to my question to the OP, my confusion is with the phrase, “‘hub’ which included CD playback and has a USB port [f]or streaming which means I can access His-res downloads and so on.”. I’m not sure what the OP means by “hub.” A music server? Something like the Naim Uniti Star (with or without the amp section)? Whatever it is, the OP seems to want to stream and/or download music to the hub through a USB connection. Generally that is done using wi-fi or Ethernet cable.

    By the way, do you play CDs on your computer through the USB port to your Quad?

    I’ve already speculated too much. I hope the OP can provide more details, as I believe everyone on this thread would like to help.
    I probably missed the point about the 'hub' aspect, I should have read the entire thread more carefully.

    In answer to your question - I'd don't play discs on the computer using the USB connection I have a stand alone CD player: Rega Apollo-R currently connected by RCA leads but I may try an optical lead at some stage.



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    I wanna know how much a subscription costs, to allow you to stream hi-res.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    I wanna know how much a subscription costs, to allow you to stream hi-res.
    Qobuz is $14.99 a month.
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    SACD players don't need to be expensive. Just look for a bluray player that is able to play SACDs, eg the Sony UBP-X500B for about €150.
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    Some CD players have a USB port, which you can connect a computer to, that then allows you to play hi-res files through the computer, using the DAC on the CD player. Sone (not many) will also access hi-res files from a USB stick.

    I have a smatttering of SACD hybrid discs (Beethoven), but it seems like SACD is hanging by a thread. There are not many new releases in this format.

    A USB port would allow me to download DSD files, and listen to them through the hi-fi, without having to burn them onto disc.

    Im most cases the option is SACD or a USB port (not many machines come equipped with both at my budget).

    However, many Amps also offer a USB option for Hi-Res files. So the other options would be to buy a CD player - such as the Rega Appollo or Muscical Fidelity MS2iCD - and then use the money saved to buy a better equipped AMP next year.

    I won't be able to play SACD, but will be able to access the equivalent through Hi-Res streaming/downloads from Presto.

    Thing is I'm not sure if His-Res Audio is going anywhere. Is it really worth an extra outlay of £200--£300 to buy into a format that seems to be tottering.

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    A lot of newer CD players come with inputs so that you can plug your (older) kit into that and use the DAC on the CD player as a hub for listening.

    My old amp is working fine, but only has analogue inputs.

    A newer CD player (such as the Musical Fidelity M3SCD) has optical, analogue and USB inputs, which means I could connect the blu-ray player to the CD player through the optical cable, and a computer to the CD player and utilise the DAC on the CD player - and have the music come through the CD player inot the AMP through tthe analogue output for the moment.

    Thing is the CD players with this DAC capaility tend to be a bit more expensive that those without (around £200+).

    So, the choice I have is a very good standard CD player for £600-£800, a cd/SCAD player for around £800-900, or a CD player with inputs ot the DAC which normally forgo the SACD option, but allow you to play DSD/Hi-Res audio through a computer or NAS drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexD View Post
    A lot of newer CD players come with inputs so that you can plug your (older) kit into that and use the DAC on the CD player as a hub for listening.

    My old amp is working fine, but only has analogue inputs.

    A newer CD player (such as the Musical Fidelity M3SCD) has optical, analogue and USB inputs, which means I could connect the blu-ray player to the CD player through the optical cable, and a computer to the CD player and utilise the DAC on the CD player - and have the music come through the CD player inot the AMP through tthe analogue output for the moment.

    Thing is the CD players with this DAC capaility tend to be a bit more expensive that those without (around £200+).

    So, the choice I have is a very good standard CD player for £600-£800, a cd/SCAD player for around £800-900, or a CD player with inputs ot the DAC which normally forgo the SACD option, but allow you to play DSD/Hi-Res audio through a computer or NAS drive.
    Gotcha. I read your original post to read that it was the USB connection that was streaming from the Internet. I actually have an Oppo 105 which has both USB inputs and Wi-Fi capability.

    One strange thing - I read a portion of the M3SCD User manual. It claims compatibility with most versions of Windows but not Windows 10 (nor 8.1). If you use a Windows-based machine, you should double check that. It’s probably a mistake, but if not . . . Or maybe your a Mac person.

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    Thank you for the reply.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see Windows 10 not being referred to in the manual as the Musical Fidelity Manual seems to have been published in 2014.

    It seems like the designs of CD players seem to change a lot slower than they used to. You used to get a new model every year or two. Now, it seems like they change once a decade, which is part of what is causing the confusion.

    The Denin 1600's manual was published in 2016. it is an SACD player which relies upon being fed discs.

    The Rega Saturn-R. designed in 2015, won't play SACD's, but has a USB input so you can play DSD/Hi-res through a computer (it won't read USB discs itself).

    So the question really is whether a his-res player is worthwhile since most record comapnies are not producing SACD discs, and hi-res downloads are not quite ubiquitous either. SACD and DVD-A seem to be on the way out. His-Res downloads may continue, but even their future is not assured.

    So, I guess player that offers excellent "red book" performance is a bigger priority. And if there I want hi-res then the USB/streaming option might be a better option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexD View Post
    Thank you for the reply.

    It wouldn't surprise me to see Windows 10 not being referred to in the manual as the Musical Fidelity Manual seems to have been published in 2014.

    It seems like the designs of CD players seem to change a lot slower than they used to. You used to get a new model every year or two. Now, it seems like they change once a decade, which is part of what is causing the confusion.

    The Denin 1600's manual was published in 2016. it is an SACD player which relies upon being fed discs.

    The Rega Saturn-R. designed in 2015, won't play SACD's, but has a USB input so you can play DSD/Hi-res through a computer (it won't read USB discs itself).

    So the question really is whether a his-res player is worthwhile since most record comapnies are not producing SACD discs, and hi-res downloads are not quite ubiquitous either. SACD and DVD-A seem to be on the way out. His-Res downloads may continue, but even their future is not assured.

    So, I guess player that offers excellent "red book" performance is a bigger priority. And if there I want hi-res then the USB/streaming option might be a better option.
    Is the model of the player that old or did they simply copy and paste from older manuals?

    My guess that Hi-Rez may continue in the form of 96/24 (or 192/24) PCM. Without any real knowledge, I assume that many recordings are made that way, so releasing music in that form is not a great expense. And the relatively mainstream Blu Ray supports it. Heck, even my $35 dollar ChromeCast Audio pucks supported it.

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    Well, the Denon manual has copyright 2016 in it, and the Musical Fidelity says the version was approved in 2014.

    Of course, things may have changed since then, but looking at the reviews for "current" products - some of them are five, six years old.

    This of course adds to the confusing - buying something for the "bright new future of SACD of 2016" is very different from the present reality of 2021.

    It almost feels like the old Betamax/VHS/V2000 days,but someone has come up with this shiny new format called DVD.

    I have 30 years worth of CDs, and they're not going anywhere - so I think the CD/USB option might be the solution. The Amp is also 15+ years old, but the budget allows me to replace 1 this year, and the other next year (and the Amp makes a very good job with radio 3).



    So I want a player that will last at least another 15 years.

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    So, I ordered a Denon 1600 CD player with SACD (it arrives this week-end).

    I also ordered SACDs of Beethoven 9, Mahler 9 and Vivaldi's 4 seasons - and the recommended (CD) recording of Smetana: Má Vlast from BBC3's Building a Library which I was quite smitten by.

    I'll let you know how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlexD View Post
    So, my trusty CD player has died after 15+ years of service.

    The players I'm considering are Musical Fidelity MS2CD - which replaces what I have, a Denon 1600 NE which offers SACD playback, or the Arcam CDS 50 or Marantz ND8006.
    I bought the Arcam CDS 50 a couple of years ago. It's OK, but I wouldn't buy it again. The display isn't great, it loads painfully slowly, particularly with SACD discs or MP3 CDR's, and I've never been able to get the WiFi connected. It replaced a Marantz CD8001, which I liked a lot better, but it died. I still use an old Marantz CD player in my office. The Arcam sounds fine, though.

    Unless you have surround sound capability, you probably won't heard a huge difference with SACD.

    If I had to do it again, I'd probably go with the Marantz ND8006. The Denon should be fine, though.
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