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Thread: The Current State of the Bulldog Games

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allerius View Post
    I like the 6-4 pattern, yet sometimes I feel that there could be an incentive for the players to spread more their points in the middle/end of a round. I don't know what other members think of this, but I suggest adding a rule that allows a player to have more points per vote if they use a maximum of only 2 or 3 points per alternative.
    Don't you think that giving low-point voters this particular advantage is also a penalty against high-vote participants?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    The ongoing "Favorite and Most Recommended Works" list, run by "science".
    You beat me with an answer. I was going to tell him that it's top-secret and he doesn't have the clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    My personal assessment is that all is well.
    Short and simple: I have no reason to disagree with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    My initial reaction to your suggestion is that it could take forever before the voting started; I could be dead by then. I'll give your posting another look tomorrow when I'll be ready for it.
    Further to my suggestion and in response to your post, it strikes me that some games tend to get "overloaded" with nominations like the current Concerto and Sacred choral games, I wonder if they could have been split into periods early/baroque etc or composers A-F, G-L etc or any other criteria, then after X number of concerto games then possibly top 4or 5 from each to a Concerto semi final/final.
    This could give us a a number of shorter/easier to manage games whilst possibly bringing some of the more obscure works to light; I rarely listen to Classic radio as it's usually the same old done to death "favourites" I welcome the posts on this forum that point me towards works I've not heard before or only rarely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dorsetmike View Post
    Further to my suggestion and in response to your post, it strikes me that some games tend to get "overloaded" with nominations like the current Concerto and Sacred choral games, I wonder if they could have been split into periods early/baroque etc or composers A-F, G-L etc or any other criteria, then after X number of concerto games then possibly top 4or 5 from each to a Concerto semi final/final.
    No matter how it gets split up, there would still be 15 or twenty works per round and double-digit rounds. I'll think about it some more. It's funny - you want fewer nominations and Highwayman wants more.

    I do know that you would probably like a game devoted to early/baroque music. It will be coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nereffid View Post
    The ongoing "Favorite and Most Recommended Works" list, run by "science".
    Ah ok, yeah, I figured. That game seems way too complicated for me.

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    I do appreciate the hard work, continued diligence and seemingly endless ingenuity of the games run by Bulldog and ArtRock. I do personally appreciate the effort they put into this, and do appreciate the exposure to unfamiliar music, genres and composers that it often poses to my fairly conventional and somewhat set tastes.

    I don't have a problem with the varying vote division, totals and goals used in the various polls. It does make the process more interesting in many ways.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    Don't you think that giving low-point voters this particular advantage is also a penalty against high-vote participants?
    Yes, but I think that this is fair because two options receiving 4 to 6 points are much more likely to advance to the next rounds than four or five options receiving 1 to 3. Besides, in the end of a round usually there are some options that noticeable won't advance, and giving them some points would be a waste unless there is some incentive for doing so. Well, in my humble opinion anyway.

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    I don't think any changes should be made to the games; they are working fine, as is.
    Last edited by SanAntone; May-21-2021 at 01:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by allaroundmusicenthusiast View Post
    Ah ok, yeah, I figured. That game seems way too complicated for me.
    It's not a game!

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    I wouldn't change a thing. I like the different scoring, kind of evens out with the 80/100. The games do go fast and by the end of the first day or so, the lines are drawn. There are games where I don't use any votes on who I want to win because they don't need my help. So the strategy is trying to push someone into second or a high third. I think the scoring works great. One thing - I would be in favor of having the draws for the preliminary rounds accessible. Art Rock did this for a current game.

    When I first started with the games it drove me crazy the way people voted. How could someone vote for this over that! Slowly, I accepted it until I got to a point where I decided it wasn't going to bother me when I feared Mahler was going to win the Best of the Twentieth Century competition. I couldn't say enough about the educational value of the games. There are a lot of great and varied nominations. I only play a few games, so I listen to at least the works I think I could vote for. If it's Vivaldi v. Webern I don't have to waste any valuable listening time, but I have been introduced to a lot of great music listening to someone I hadn't heard of or hadn't considered.

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    I think there are at least two clear takeaways from the discussion (good to see many players take part in it):

    - in general the agreement is that it is going fine
    - single vote nominations are preferred over seconding

    Both good to know!

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    I am certainly not the one that will start complaining about the format. I enjoy it as it is and I am grateful .

    I have discovered a few works too , by voting , ie taking part in the games.

    ps : even if a work that I really love gets voted out,... I will keep loving it nonetheless

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    Thanks for the great games and polls. They are not only fun, but also a good survey of TC’s preferences.
    An idea from my side: to give a shout out to the user who nominated a work that went all the way and won the competition.
    What do you think?
    Last edited by Axter; May-21-2021 at 12:17.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axter View Post
    Thanks for the great games and polls. They are not only fun, but also a good survey of TC’s preferences.
    An idea from my side: to give a shout out to the user who nominated a work that went all the way and won the competition.
    What do you think?
    Sounds good to me.

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