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    Feel free to make corrections - updates and corrections are two different things.

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    A few weeks ago, I started noting which voters had nominated the winning entries in each round/game. However, I've decided to stop this practice; I'm just tired of doing it.

    I do want to emphasize that I have no problem at all with other participants doing so. For example, earlier today Advokat noted that SanAntone had nominated the winning entry - that's great and all is well.

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    My brain hasn't come up lately with any worthy game themes. If you have one or more, now would be a good time to present them.

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    We've been doing this now - what? 3-4 years? It might not be a bad idea to recycle some of the early subjects given that we have a bunch of new players as well.

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    I`m actually enjoying games that exclude the obvious favourites and concepts like "Beyond the top 100". So perhaps we can revisit some of the old subjects but omit the Big Three etc. from the nomination process.

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    A "favored chamber works" game continuing the series (we had symphonies, concerti and sacred choral works so far) would be interesting in my opinion.
    Last edited by Xisten267; Aug-09-2021 at 17:47.

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    1. Variations (Goldbergs are barred)
    2. Suites of works of one composer (composers) produced by another composer or a conductor (e.g. Elizabethan suite by Barbirolli, Rameau: Une Symphonie imaginaire by Minkowsky, etc)
    3. Works on Spanish themes produced by non-Spanish composers (opera and ballet works excluded)
    4. Romantic works, in three rounds and the finals: a) French romantic works b) Russian romantic works c) Spanish romantic works (Austro-Germans are excluded to level the field). The top ten from each round compete in the mixed finals. Of course, one can add others such as English and Italians, each national school in a separate round.
    5. Works of expat composers (D.Scarlatti, Handel, Boccherini, Fields, J.C.Bach, Rachmaninov, Medtner, etc)
    6. CPE works written after 1920
    7. Best works of transitional Classical to Romantic period, LVB and Schubert excluded.
    I also like the idea of recycling earlier games where I did nkt take part. I guess even those who did participate will find is worthwile, since a) attitudes change b)the contingent of players is defferent and it would be interesting to see the difference of the results, if any.
    Last edited by advokat; Aug-10-2021 at 19:47.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    My brain hasn't come up lately with any worthy game themes. If you have one or more, now would be a good time to present them.
    1) How about "best" or "favorite" adagio[s] from symphonies

    2) "best" or "favorite" adagio[s] from concertos

    3) "best" or "favorite" andante[s] from symphonies

    4) "best" or "favorite" andante[s] from concertos

    5) "best" or "favorite" scherzo[s] from symphonies

    a) nominating and b)voting
    Last edited by Brahmsian Colors; Aug-10-2021 at 21:40. Reason: alternatives included

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    I don't know how you've gotten this far. I like the idea of exclusions and defined time periods within musical periods and even overlapping, say Chamber Music 1880 - 1920. Also one nomination per composer games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsian Colors View Post
    1) How about "best" or "favorite" adagio[s] from symphonies

    2) "best" or "favorite" adagio[s] from concertos

    3) "best" or "favorite" andante[s] from symphonies

    4) "best" or "favorite" andante[s] from concertos

    5) "best" or "favorite" scherzo[s] from symphonies

    a) nominating and b)voting
    I like this one but mixing together adagios, andantes and similar ones (larghetto, andantino...). As in: slow movements from symphonies / concertos

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    I will be giving serious consideration to each of the recommended game themes advanced in recent weeks.

    Most striking to me are the many recommendations that want the most well-known composers and/or works excluded/banned/barred. As a result, I did start a few days ago a game that does just that. However, I didn't feel good about it in that a process that excludes or bans certain composers cuts against my grain in the larger scheme of things. My current thinking is that I'll offer that type of game from time to time, but I don't want it to be a regular happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by advokat View Post
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    3. Works on Spanish themes produced by non-Spanish composers (opera and ballet works excluded)
    4. Romantic works, in three rounds and the finals: a) French romantic works b) Russian romantic works c) Spanish romantic works (Austro-Germans are excluded to level the field). The top ten from each round compete in the mixed finals. Of course, one can add others such as English and Italians, each national school in a separate round.
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    I also like the idea of recycling earlier games where I did nkt take part. I guess even those who did participate will find is worthwile, since a) attitudes change b)the contingent of players is defferent and it would be interesting to see the difference of the results, if any.
    Another vote for "Spanish" inspired music written by non-Spaniards. It seemed to have been particularly popular trend in the late 19th century e.g. Lalo, Bizet etc., but I would actually include the operas. I wouldn't want to miss out on Carmen or more precisely the various orchestral suites and orchestral transformations based on it, since I personally don't listen to opera.

    Another closely aligned theme is "eastern exotic" music written by classical composers, that was also a trend in the late 19th century, think Russian composers of that era, e.g. Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin etc.

    A celebration of cultural appropriation gone wild! Although in reality none of the music is genuinely authentic in any way.

    Of course some of this reflects my own tastes in music. I absolutely love most of, actually essentially all, of those works!

    As someone who strongly favors romantic period music, particularly orchestral works, any games based on that style would also be welcome.

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    How about a game where we vote for works we don't like? For example "Popular works you never want to hear again". I think that would be a fun exercise, but only if we manage to keep it somewhat civil (but I believe that most game participants are well behaved).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravn View Post
    How about a game where we vote for works we don't like? For example "Popular works you never want to hear again". I think that would be a fun exercise, but only if we manage to keep it somewhat civil (but I believe that most game participants are well behaved).
    Bulldog ran a similarly themed game fairly recently in which participants nominated major works they disliked, but then when it came to the voting phase we voted for the works we like.

    We could do it and continue to vote positively or negatively for works we dislike, but it would be easy for such a game to degenerate into a "bashfest"!
    Last edited by haziz; Aug-17-2021 at 01:26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ravn View Post
    How about a game where we vote for works we don't like? For example "Popular works you never want to hear again". I think that would be a fun exercise, but only if we manage to keep it somewhat civil (but I believe that most game participants are well behaved).
    If nothing else, I've found that these types of games are not well-received. Put another way, some frequent voters did not participate. Don't think I'll go down that road again.

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