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    No, but Reger's is its equal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bwv 1080 View Post
    No, but Reger's is its equal
    I've known the Brahms for over 50 years, the Reger only a few years. These days I'm more likely to play the Reger but much of that has to do with a little over-exposure to the Brahms on my part. Which is better? Don't know.

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    Is Karl Leister the clarinetist to listen to for this piece? Which recording is recommended by the experts here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Which recording is recommended by the experts here?
    I feel the one with the Amadeus has gained the "reference recording" status but the rest of his recordings are fine as well. All of them are well-balanced and have decent sound. The one with the Vermeer Q is a bit different because they produce a gentle even feeble sound therefore Leister really shines there. There is also a live recording with Zapolski Q on YT which is also very fine.

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    Agreed with Highwayman on the Leister/Vermeer recording; it is mellow, burnished, and exquisite. Also Shifrin/Emerson and either of the two old Kell/Busch recordings are wonderful. As for the work itself, the only Brahms chamber works I prefer to it nowadays are the Piano Quintet and the first Piano Trio. The movements are maybe all a bit homogeneous in mood - but oh, what a mood it is! The opening melody of the third movement is one of those inexplicable Brahmsian beauties.
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    Love it. One of my favorite chamber pieces by any composer. Don't really care about its rating, all that matters is that I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Is Karl Leister the clarinetist to listen to for this piece? Which recording is recommended by the experts here?
    Leister is an outstanding clarinetist. My preferred interpretation of his is with the Leipzig String Quartett on the DG Gold label. Wonderful tones and balances.

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    The Reger is more rigorous/pedantic. IMO, the Brahms is far and away the finer work.
    Last edited by SanAntone; Jun-09-2021 at 10:14.

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    The Reger is comparably melodic and accessible for Regerian standards which is a strong qualification for most listeners... Of course anyone who likes clarinet should try it but because most other Reger is so extremely thorny for most people I think the clarinet quintet has acquired a reputation ("Mozartian") that can be slightly misleading.

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    A masterpiece, yet I prefer Mozart's Clarinet Quintet just a teeny bit over it. My favorite movement of the Brahms is the slow movement.

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    Is Brahms’ Clarinet Quintet overrated?

    It depends upon what you compare it to.

    Compared to the force a nuclear explosion has to destroy a city, I'd say, yes, the Brahms is overrated. But off hand I can't think of much else that might make the comparison fall against Brahms. So let's give it a "no" for now.

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    Not overrated. I usually don't think about whether a work is a masterpiece or not, but would not debate the issue regarding this work.

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