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    Default Beethoven Often Forgets to Breathe

    I feel he doesn't leave enough space in his music, and is always trying to cram as many notes as possible into a bar.

    There are exceptions like mvt 1 of Moonlight, but you get the idea.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainnumber36 View Post
    I feel he doesn't leave enough space in his music, and is always trying to cram as many notes as possible into a bar.

    There are exceptions like mvt 1 of Moonlight, but you get the idea.


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    Might depend heavily on the performer / conductor. 'Breathing' is often about reducing volume at the end of a phrase...but certainly the composer should have appropriate pauses.
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    Agree to some extent, I can't stand some of his sonatas. He used many eighth notes in the moonlight sonata which is kind of soft. But, he goes nuts sometimes and uses lots of sixteenth notes loudly without any rests, which l find disturbing sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainnumber36 View Post
    I feel he doesn't leave enough space in his music, and is always trying to cram as many notes as possible into a bar.

    There are exceptions like mvt 1 of Moonlight, but you get the idea.


    Agree or disagree?
    Can you give an example?

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    Lots of the 9th symphony seems to have "too many notes".

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    Several of his Sonatas for piano too. Third Mvt of Moonlight for example.

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    Don't agree one bit. If you're coming from a New Age / Ambient, or Satie sort of approach where musical ideas aren't strung end-to-end, then maybe. Beethoven's music breathes more than Bach.
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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    Even the 6th symphony feels like too much is going on. Not so much within one bar, but with how many ideas are developing sequentially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Don't agree one bit. If you're coming from a New Age / Ambient, or Satie sort of approach where musical ideas aren't strung end-to-end, then maybe. Beethoven's music breathes more than Bach.

    I can't agree there. I think Bach flows much more naturally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Don't agree one bit. If you're coming from a New Age / Ambient, or Satie sort of approach where musical ideas aren't strung end-to-end, then maybe. Beethoven's music breathes more than Bach.
    Neither of them breathe as much as my main boy Wolfie!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Don't agree one bit. If you're coming from a New Age / Ambient, or Satie sort of approach where musical ideas aren't strung end-to-end, then maybe. Beethoven's music breathes more than Bach.
    That's why Bach is sometimes difficult to listen to, especially on first hearing.

    It almost sounds unmusical at times.
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    I love the first movement of Beethoven's first symphony. Classical and awesome!

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    I have multiple responses:

    1. Confronted with a timeless body of keyboard music: "Too many notes."

    2. The piano is not a wind instrument.

    3. Adapting Jonathan Swift's quip to modern times (although the original is equally apt in the instance): "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign:" People on the internet start threads like this about him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captainnumber36 View Post
    I feel he doesn't leave enough space in his music, and is always trying to cram as many notes as possible into a bar.

    There are exceptions like mvt 1 of Moonlight, but you get the idea.


    Agree or disagree?
    What about the spaces between the chords which open the Eroica symphony? Some people think they’re the greatest spaces in the whole of music.

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