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    I pretty much dislike atonal/post tonal music. Feels like music made in a meth lab to me. I keep trying though. I really liked Breaking Bad, so maybe at some point I'll have my Heisenberg moment.
    I'm realizing that my answer to the "favorite recording" question is usually Bruno Walter.

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    Anything by Sibelius or Brahms

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Operas sung in English. I'm not keen on opera and loathe musicals so mixing the two is like mixing liquorice and Brussel sprouts for me (two other things I dislike intensely) and induces a similar gag reflex. Peter Grimes (*shudder).
    I feel the same way. I didn't know it wasn't just me. Maybe it has to do with the vocalizing of the English language that's less well suited than something like German or Italian. I think it's in the vowels that doesn't work for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    Brahms. How people subject themselves willingly to such trash I will never understand. Beethoven without the inspiration or innovation. Enjoy I guess.
    Please clarify what you mean by "such trash".
    Last edited by Brahmsian Colors; Jul-19-2021 at 02:15.

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    Liszt is the only composer i can think of who is just... ugh...

    I like the b minor sonata and the second piano concerto but everything else, orchestral and piano, is just random and pointless

    A perfect example is the tarantella. Too all over the place, it adds up to nothing and is amazingly unsatisfying

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kreisler jr View Post
    I am shocked... I love all of them and at least for the last two I thought they were among these that listeners who find Mozart "too light" or "too cheerful" tended to like.
    (I don't actively dislike the Beethoven VC but it is not a great favorite either and one of a few major Beethoven pieces I find rather overrated, the other big one is the Pastoral symphony but there are also a few highly popular piano sonatas I am not too fond of.)
    While I enjoy very much a good deal of Mozart's music (see the Mozart favorites thread you, I and others contributed to today) , I personally have never believed or characterized it as being "too light" or "too cheerful". Regarding the 20th PC and the 40th Symphony, I have simply never found them particularly satisfying---perhaps for now at least....Otherwise, though Brahms has been my favorite composer for over 60 years, I'm still not really close to (as in fond of) every work he produced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsian Colors View Post
    Please clarify what you mean by "such trash".
    Couchie is just trolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    Anything before c.1700. I just don't like the sound of anything before Corelli, Albinoni etc. Music from drums with sackbuts, serpents, shawms etc brings to mind tedious evenings in a consumption-ridden Tudor or Stuart court dutifully watching ridiculously-dressed people doing silly-looking dances. The sound of the lute especially brings me out in a rash.
    I guess I'm not into whatever you're into then? Not sure what that is

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    The whole being of this thread is inflammatory so there's little point in feeling offended as someone will undoubtedly stand on your toes by saying they loathe something you love. There's times you need to just smile, even if you dont agree. For example, I said I dont like opera sung in English and have a particular dislike for Peter Grimes but I know others on here love it (eg Henry). I didn't write that to have a go at Henry, and he knows that, or anyone else. I wrote it as it's something I dislike. Likewise I may feel differently about Brahms' and Sibelius' music. I'm sure Henry et al aren't sat at home plotting revenge or crying into their late night/early morning coffee. Personally, I'm still laughing at EG's "... The sound of the lute especially brings me out in a rash." Whether I agree or not that was funny.

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    Last edited by Merl; Jul-19-2021 at 09:20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    The whole being of this thread is inflammatory so there's little point in feeling offended as someone will undoubtedly stand on your toes by saying they loathe something you love.
    Excellent advice. It goes for the statements as well as the replies to the statements. Don't get too personal though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereality View Post
    I guess I'm not into whatever you're into then? Not sure what that is
    I'm certainly not averse to the music from the young man shown on your avatar - I have more music by Mozart than I do by anyone else, even though he's not my favourite composer. In terms of total discs (minus any different recordings of the same works) Bach, Beethoven, Shostakovich, Britten and Hindemith are the next best represented in my collection. By the terms of this thread I would be surprised if any of the last three don't feature somewhere along the way.
    Last edited by elgars ghost; Jul-19-2021 at 09:32.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    The whole being of this thread is inflammatory so there's little point in feeling offended as someone will undoubtedly stand on your toes by saying they loathe something you love. There's times you need to just smile, even if you dont agree. For example, I said I dont like opera sung in English and have a particular dislike for Peter Grimes but I know others on here love it (eg Henry). I didn't write that to have a go at Henry, and he knows that, or anyone else. I wrote it as it's something I dislike. Likewise I may feel differently about Brahms' and Sibelius' music. I'm sure Henry et al aren't sat at home plotting revenge or crying into their late night/early morning coffee. Personally, I'm still laughing at EG's "... The sound of the lute especially brings me out in a rash." Whether I agree or not that was funny.

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    I agree. Very much so. But when people who have the experience with music to enjoy works (works that others treasure) but are almost pleased or proud that they don't ... it can make for depressing reading. Strong dislike is a strong emotion, a real reaction, that can sometimes be turned around with a little humility. Maybe we should have a thread on "music I hated but now love".

    There are maybe two ways of disliking some parts of the classical repertoire. One is to dislike and deny that there is any value to the disliked item. The other - which is what this thread is about - is more confessional: it is saying "I dislike x but know - because so many disagree - that it has real value". I think this thread is mostly about this latter way of disliking. But, this being the case, the question is begged: why not keep trying?

    There is so much that I once disliked - some of it actively so - but for me that can work as a real incentive to hear what the very many who feel differently are hearing in it. Messiaen is an example for me. I hated his music for quite a long time but now love it above so many of his contemporaries. I know of no music that affects me so physically. Early music was another grey area for me that I now enjoy a lot.

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    The no-no for me is probably percussion music (concertos etc) which really gets on my nerves very quick. Which means no Varese and/or Xenakis in my daily music menue. Other than that, I'm quite open for new possibilities. You say "no" to some thing then you suddenly begin to listen to it obsessively. Guess it's the right music at the right time/place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by elgars ghost View Post
    I'm certainly not averse to the music from the young man shown on your avatar - I have more music by Mozart than I do by anyone else, even though he's not my favourite composer. In terms of total discs (minus any different recordings of the same works) Bach, Beethoven, Shostakovich, Britten and Hindemith are the next best represented in my collection. By the terms of this thread I would be surprised if any of the last three don't feature somewhere along the way.
    Sorry quoted the wrong post. Somehow yours was added on. In any case I love Britten and Hindemith, recently attended a Diversions concert

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post

    There are maybe two ways of disliking some parts of the classical repertoire. One is to dislike and deny that there is any value to the disliked item. The other - which is what this thread is about - is more confessional: it is saying "I dislike x but know - because so many disagree - that it has real value". I think this thread is mostly about this latter way of disliking. But, this being the case, the question is begged: why not keep trying?

    There is so much that I once disliked - some of it actively so - but for me that can work as a real incentive to hear what the very many who feel differently are hearing in it. Messiaen is an example for me. I hated his music for quite a long time but now love it above so many of his contemporaries. I know of no music that affects me so physically. Early music was another grey area for me that I now enjoy a lot.
    There is so much music out there that you can only spend so much time banging your head against something. People have profound experiences listening to Bruckner's 8th - and when I listen to it, I want that profound experience people talk about, and then it just does nothing for me. And here's the thing - I'm not being kept from experiencing Bruckner's 8th and getting that profound experience - I'm experiencing Bruckner's 8th and it turns out I hate it.

    The good news is that Bruckner's music will always be there for me to return to when I want to try again. Like I said, maybe you need more musical experience, more knowledge of the musical context of Bruckner's times, or maybe it's not music someone without spirituality can appreciate, or it might simply be music you have to be a certain age, with a certain amount of lived experience to appreciate. And it'll always be there when I want to try again. Meanwhile, no sense trying again and again when there's so much else out there!


    edit) it's like a math problem you can't solve- sometimes the best method is to walk away and do something else, and come back to it after a while
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