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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPenfold View Post
    Anything by Sibelius or Brahms
    Are you attempting to one-up our resident wise guy, Couchie? I never say no because I don't want to deny myself discoveries that might chip away at my blind spots.
    In Mahler I usually prefer the Solti approach -caveman having a seisure whips orchestra into a frenzy!! - Radames, TC member

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    I will give anything a try, and by try I mean spending a decent amount of time investigating a composer or genre or period. But I find myself consistently listening to a relatively small, but eclectic, group of composers. I also will abandon a genre, like opera for years only to come back to it with enthusiasm now and again. This is true for other kinds of music or composers I've temporarily abandoned in the past.

    I don't ever say "no" to any kind of music.

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    I have a list, mostly from my childhood and teen bands and orchestras:

    Elgar, Pomp and Circumstance March no. 1.
    Grieg, Peer Gynt Suite no. 1.
    J. Strauss II, Tritsch Trasch Polka
    Verdi, March from Aida
    Weinberger, Schwanda the Bagpiper Polka and Fugue
    Schubert, Symphony no. 8, "Unfinished", March Militaire
    Wagner, March of the Meistersingers
    Anderson, The Syncopated Clock, Sleigh Ride
    Pachelbel, Canon in D
    Mozart, Serenade in G
    von Suppe, Morning, Noon and Night in Vienna, Light Cavalry Overture

    I have to stop here, the memories are too traumatic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbjim View Post
    edit) it's like a math problem you can't solve- sometimes the best method is to walk away and do something else, and come back to it after a while
    That is exactly right. It is what I do. But I do find that I sort of know when I am ready to return to something I have tried and failed to like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    The whole being of this thread is inflammatory so there's little point in feeling offended as someone will undoubtedly stand on your toes by saying they loathe something you love. There's times you need to just smile, even if you dont agree. For example, I said I dont like opera sung in English and have a particular dislike for Peter Grimes but I know others on here love it (eg Henry). I didn't write that to have a go at Henry, and he knows that, or anyone else. I wrote it as it's something I dislike. Likewise I may feel differently about Brahms' and Sibelius' music. I'm sure Henry et al aren't sat at home plotting revenge or crying into their late night/early morning coffee. Personally, I'm still laughing at EG's "... The sound of the lute especially brings me out in a rash." Whether I agree or not that was funny.
    Very well stated Merl. I too can't see blowing a gasket each time I notice a critical comment being made about a favorite work or composer of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluteman View Post
    I have a list, mostly from my childhood and teen bands and orchestras:


    Schubert, Symphony no. 8, "Unfinished"


    I have to stop here, the memories are too traumatic.
    If only Schubert had written the Unfinished to be more virtuosic, then maybe youth orchestras wouldn't play it to death!


    (see also: the Dvorak 9th, which I also played all the time)

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    I think it’s important to understand that everyone has their own preferences. Saying ‘no’ to a particular composer may seem like you’re closing the door on a something that could give you pleasure later on, but rather I believe that it opens up the idea that one simply can’t like everything one hears and I think it’s important to figure out where you stand as a listener. In the spirit of this thread, I say ‘no' to a lot of composers: almost all of the Renaissance and Baroque composers (never cared for this period of classical music and never will), most operatic music with some notable exceptions and last, and certainly not least, most, if not all, contemporary classical music I’ve heard (here, too, there are some exceptions, but I’ve been disappointed by much of today’s music).
    Last edited by Neo Romanza; Jul-19-2021 at 20:46.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Romanza View Post
    I think it’s important to understand that everyone has their own preferences. Saying ‘no’ to a particular composer may seem like you’re closing the door on a something that could give you pleasure later on, but rather I believe that it opens up the idea that one simply can’t like everything one hears and I think it’s important to figure out were you stand as a listener. In the spirit of this thread, I say ‘no' to a lot of composers: almost all of the Renaissance and Baroque composers (never cared for this period of classical music and never will), most operatic music with some notable exceptions and last, and certainly not least, most, if not all, contemporary classical music I’ve heard (here, too, there are some exceptions, but I’ve been disappointed by much of today’s music).
    While I agree with your post, my attitude is somewhat different: I don't feel any need to make definitive judgments about any composer, period, genre, or style. I listen to what I choose and although for the most part I have identified the music I know I enjoy, there is no reason to write off any music. I prefer keeping all my options open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbjim View Post
    If only Schubert had written the Unfinished to be more virtuosic, then maybe youth orchestras wouldn't play it to death!


    (see also: the Dvorak 9th, which I also played all the time)
    That may be. But for me the problem there wasn't just playing it all the time, but also hearing it all the time. I mourned the loss of classical radio, until something better, i.e., streaming, finally came along. I no longer ever have to listen to "classical hits" again unless I want to. And the selections on my list safely can be avoided.

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    As I understand the thread, there are different types of no. There are many who are no's from exhaustion, especially with not very interesting and overly played/recorded music. I have this type with Tchaikovsky's Piano Concerto 1 and the Violin Concerto. There are also those that are not my style, those I can even understand the appeal, one passage/movement or another caught my attention, but the prospect of listening for an hour or more scares me, like Carl Orff. Maybe one day, with the right interpretation, I will appreciate since it happened before. Now, in the sense of having already given up on assimilating, I don't know. In my experience I had an aversion/boredom towards some composers that I later came to admire, from Lully to Feldman, from Sweelinck to John Adams.

    On second thought, there is a composer I find myself saying no. As a teenager I listened Bartok's Sonata for Two Pianos and Percussion for the first time at a concert and I felt sick, physically. It was really the surprise, the lack of habit. As I got to know more, the hungarian became one of my favorites. But this is an inverse case, where first I was indifferent, and the more I know the more I react badly: Boulez. Not only the music, also his ideas, what he represents in the musical history, even his work as a conductor I tend to listen to less and less over the years.

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    With rare exceptions, music before Mozart.

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    So far, very little has grated with me. Ives maybe. The very little of Ferneyhough that I've listened to.

    I do struggle to appreciate a lot of Piano Concertos as much as others seem to. Piano Sonatas? Love the vast majority. Piano Trios? Very nice. Piano Quartets and Quintets? Fine. Piano Concertos? "Stop hitting the piano keys so damned hard!".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richannes Wrahms View Post
    Almost if not the entire output of Sorabji and Brian, I don't think I need to explain this one.
    Well, I for one will be happy to take you to task for the lack of explanation. What have you heard of Sorabji (it would be impressive if you were familiar with the works of his that have yet to be performed) and what bothers you about his music?

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    Anything by Xenakis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chilham View Post
    So far, very little has grated with me. Ives maybe. The very little of Ferneyhough that I've listened to.

    I do struggle to appreciate a lot of Piano Concertos as much as others seem to. Piano Sonatas? Love the vast majority. Piano Trios? Very nice. Piano Quartets and Quintets? Fine. Piano Concertos? "Stop hitting the piano keys so damned hard!".
    thoughts on this performance? try the second movement...

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