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    Default Why is Tchaikovsky considered a 2nd rate composer?

    First off I want to preface this post by saying I rarely listen to Tchaikovsky, if ever. My knowledge of him ends at the Pathètique Symphony, 1812, Marche Slave, Violin Concerto (whichever the popular one is) and the Nutcracker i.e none of his deep cuts.

    I see him referred to on the forum as a 2nd rate or flat out not very good composer who has a couple diamonds in the rough amongst a sea of forgettable mediocrity. Whats the rationale behind this opinion? Again, I dont listen to him and have no dog in this fight, but I am curious as to why a hkusehold name is referred to as such.

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    I generally keep my iTunes on 'random mode', and Symphony No. 6 4th mvt came up yesterday. I started getting weepy, and I wasn't even listening that closely.

    He's piled on by the Classical elitists because he's more of a tunesmith than a complexinarian. Go to a Tchaikovsky concert, and you'll come out humming the tunes.

    He's like today's Andrew Lloyd Webber vs. a Sondheim.

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    Second rate ? Elitist idiots

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    Die Voraussetzung stimmt nicht. The premise is wrong.

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    Because people like his work too much and find it too "accessible."

    See also: Mendelssohn, J. Strauss, Rossini, Verdi, Liszt, John Williams.... even on occasion Beethoven and Mozart.

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    Some people probably take the view that you have to be groundbreakingly revolutionary to be in the esteemed first tier. If that is the criteria, then maybe Tchaikovsky possibly doesn't make the cut.... but then again his influence on ballet was pretty substantial.

    By all other measures, I think Tchaikovsky is certainly top tier. He has a list of beloved works as long as my arm (Symphonies 5 & 6, Piano Concerto #1, Violin Concerto, Eugene Ongein, the three ballets, Piano Trio, Serenade for Strings, Souvenirs from Florence, String Quartet #1, the Seasons, Romeo & Juliet, 1812...). Sure, the thing that makes these works so great is probably Tchaikovsky's gift for melody and also (where applicable) orchestration.

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    They prefer Brahms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simplicissimus View Post
    Die Voraussetzung stimmt nicht. The premise is wrong.
    haha, woher kannst du deutsch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabulin View Post
    They prefer Brahms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWeflen View Post
    Because people like his work too much and find it too "accessible."

    See also: Mendelssohn, J. Strauss, Rossini, Verdi, Liszt, John Williams.... even on occasion Beethoven and Mozart.
    Ahh yes, of , if it's catchy or accessible of course it's inherently bad. How could anyone think otherwise? /s

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    The general consensus, including on TC, is that Tchaikovsky is a top tier composer. The OP author is paying way too much attention to the naysayers. Also, keep in mind that some TC members love to dump on the most revered composers - makes them feel special; I just feel they look like dopes.

    I feel a little awkward having said the above, because Tchaikovsky is not on my personal top-tier list. However, he's extremely popular with many "hit" works.

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    What a silly thread.

    Tchaikovsky is considered, on this forum and anywhere else, as one of the greatest composers ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GucciManeIsTheNewWebern View Post
    Ahh yes, of , if it's catchy or accessible of course it's inherently bad. How could anyone think otherwise? /s
    I'm not sure if you are being sarcastic or not, but if you don't know anyone who looks at anything "mainstream" and makes up their mind that they can NOT like it before hearing or seeing it, then you don't know many people. I have met quite a few of those types. Of course there are those who don't care for certain popular things, and there are those who truly are enamored with the avant-garde. However, there are certainly those who find it unsophisticated to like anything too "mainstream."

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    You'd have to ask someone who thought so.

    Someone not me.

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    I recall seeing him described as glorified pop music here before. That's some glorious pop music!
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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