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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    One is seeking the truth that lies within the music itself - its essence, its heart - .....
    " the truth that lies within the music itself"

    IOW - subjective truth. Thank you.

    I don't listen to the Brahms 1st to solve world hunger.
    right, you are listening for the subjective truth that you posit "exists" within the music....right, we get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunburst Finish View Post
    Even better - the "Cleveland Szellots" -
    That's good!! lol!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    right, you are listening for the subjective truth that you posit "exists" within the music....right, we get it.
    Which means its true essence, which is the exact opposite of something extra-musical!!!

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    Wow, Jos, you write a lot on most threads but even by your standards that was a mammoth post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunburst Finish View Post
    Even better - the "Cleveland Szellots"
    I'd buy that jersey.

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    Claiming that one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others is such absolute inane silliness that anyone who espouses such a claim deserves to be slapped about the head and face until they cease and desist.

    Some prefer one conductor's approach, others another, and that's it, except that the conductor typically gets more credit than they quite deserve. It's all just taste, simple, banal taste, with or without attempts at justifying the preference, with or without employing vapid rhetoric or empty pseudophilosophy. In terms of the latter, I prefer without.

    I like Szell's recordings. I like his better than Furtwängler's, because I find the latter to be on occasion sloppy, boring, and predictable. YMMV.

    Who knows which of the two I'd prefer to play for. I'll never know.

    (ETA: disclaimer, I'm not really advocating that someone who makes silly remarks on a classical music message board should be harmed physically. Er, probably not.)
    Last edited by Knorf; Jul-24-2021 at 00:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    Claiming that one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others is such absolute inane silliness that anyone who espouses such a claim deserves to be slapped about the head and face until they cease and desist.
    Man, straw men have sure taken a beating in this thread.

    Last edited by Brahmsianhorn; Jul-24-2021 at 01:38.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    Which means its true essence, which is the exact opposite of something extra-musical!!!
    Right, True essence = subjective truth.....we get it already....just not buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    Right, True essence = subjective truth.....we get it already....just not buying it.
    So what’s the counter to what I’m saying? The score is self-evident? There’s no such thing as an ideal, it’s all just random?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    Claiming that one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others is such absolute inane silliness that anyone who espouses such a claim deserves to be slapped about the head and face until they cease and desist.
    "one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others" = "one conductor does

    better than others"
    Last edited by hammeredklavier; Jul-24-2021 at 03:49.

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    Oof. I can't disagree that Victor Borge had access to the deepest and greatest and truest essential musical truths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    Oof. I can't disagree that Victor Borge had access to the deepest and greatest and truest essential musical truths.
    Victor Borge was a mere mechanical time-beater (* slaps Knorf around the face). James Last, on the other hand, put himself in the shoes of the composer speaking to the audience. Borge reads off in strict dictation like a stenographer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    No, it is Merl's...i find it quite fitting...
    Maybe I can't be seen.
    Last edited by Merl; Jul-24-2021 at 07:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Merl View Post
    Victor Borge was a mere mechanical time-beater (* slaps Knorf around the face). James Last, on the other hand, put himself in the shoes of the composer speaking to the audience. Borge reads off in strict dictation like a stenographer.
    But who was Victor, and how long shall the memory of James last?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brahmsianhorn View Post
    So what’s the counter to what I’m saying?
    I think Knorf's reply is right on the $$:

    Quote Originally Posted by Knorf View Post
    Claiming that one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others is such absolute inane silliness......
    Last edited by Heck148; Jul-24-2021 at 14:23.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heck148 View Post
    I think Knorf's reply is right on the $$:
    But that’s not my claim.

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