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    ^ I can agree with that. I don't think the harmony in the 3rd movement of Mozart is that amazing. But what I'm noticing the more I listen from M. Haydn is that he doesn't really seem to juggle between both harmony and melody together like Mozart (and his older bro) does. He seems to focus on one or the other at a given time. That's what makes a lot of his music sterile to me.

    Show me where he can juggle both a melody line and harmony together (or I should say interweaving the 2 together) like say 29:10 and onwards here. To me, all the great Masters were able to interweave the 2 together in interesting ways.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fA3r...el=Precipotato
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTonic View Post
    The last few minutes of Copland's Appalachian Spring come to mind. The section starting with the "'Tis A Gift to Be Simple" quote to the end of the piece.
    Copland definitely. The Tender Land suite is beautiful, especially the final movement.


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    Quote Originally Posted by romantique View Post
    Would anyone be able to help me with some suggestions for a classical piece that would evoke such states of mind: Honesty, Sincerity, Openness, Purity? Something along these lines.
    I know this is odd but thank you for any suggestions.
    Perhaps it handy to say where you need it for.
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    Thank you all so much for your recommendations!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperTonic View Post
    The last few minutes of Copland's Appalachian Spring come to mind.
    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWeflen View Post
    Copland definitely. The Tender Land suite is beautiful, especially the final movement.
    Great!

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    "Classical Piece Evoking Sincerity, Honesty, Purity"

    The first name that comes to my mind is Mozart whose craftsmanship implies a wonderful seamless quality as if the music practically composes itself. No doubt, Mozart worked hard to achieve this effect, as what usually appears to be "effortless" requires the most effort.

    When I'm listening to Beethoven, I hear a sense of struggle and heroism, an inner dialogue (not that Beethoven didn't have his more mellow instances as with the wonderful Symphony #6 "Pastorale"). With Bach, I'm carried away by the master's sense of a musical vision and a faith that is intense. With Tchaikovsky and Shostakovich it's the sad, Russian, soulfulness, that gets me. With Brahms it's the fine and sturdy German craftsmanship. With Ravel, Rimsky-Korsakov, and Richard Strauss, it's the orchestral color. With Debussy it's the sense of mystery. For Haydn, it's the sense of fun and joyfulness. For Wagner, it's the passion.

    But Mozart to me, is the one that is the most "pure"; simple, and beautiful. Mozart's Clarinet Concerto, for example, seems to have a wonderful sense of "flow" and peacefulness that just seems to unfold in a very natural way where one feels centered and in the moment, sort of in the spirit of "mindfulness", a term that seems to be all the rage these days.

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    Strauss’ Vier letzte Lieder certainly comes to mind here:

    “My music is best understood by children and animals.” - Igor Stravinsky

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    Bach
    WTC I
    Prelude in C major


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    Evening Prayer
    Hansel and Gretel
    Englebert Humperdinck


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    When I read your original post, the only composition that came to mind was this;

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eowu6T3aOTo

    Enjoy

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    Quote Originally Posted by romantique View Post
    Would anyone be able to help me with some suggestions for a classical piece that would evoke such states of mind: Honesty, Sincerity, Openness, Purity? Something along these lines.
    I know this is odd but thank you for any suggestions.
    My choice: the Aria from Bach's Goldberg Variations, maybe especially (however ironical) when played by Glenn Gould

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbjim View Post
    Chopin, Chopin, and Chopin is what you're looking for, OP.

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    Last edited by dissident; Jul-24-2021 at 23:47.

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    I take a different meaning to this thread, as it asks for honesty, openness, and maybe a lot of suggestions sound more like 'innocence' or 'lightness,' not something 'proactively reached for.' People say Mozart, or Bach and his Prelude in C, or Copland, I don't hear it as much. That ability to seem uncomposed, like Mozart's music just composes itself effortlessly, or that 'cleverness' in them which seems antithetical to the subject, is why he doesn't sound as sincere. It lacks the rawness or imperfection of the stronger forms of sincerity, the reason I love Mozart, but why my favor would go towards like the Puccini above, or Sibelius's 3rd or the Choral Symphony, as very open, more meaningful expressions of purifying struggles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereality View Post
    I take a different meaning to this thread, as it asks for honesty, openness, and maybe a lot of suggestions sound more like 'innocence' or 'lightness,' not something 'proactively reached for.' People say Mozart, Bach, or Copland, I don't hear it as much. That ability to seem uncomposed, like Mozart's music just composes itself effortlessly, is why he doesn't sound as sincere. It lacks the rawness or imperfection of the stronger forms of sincerity. It's a reason I love Mozart, but my favor would go towards examples like the Puccini above, or Sibelius's 3rd or Brahms' 2nd piano concerto, as very open, honest, sincere works of expression.
    I think there's a difference between "sincerity" on the part of the composer and "sincerity" as a feeling evoked by the music (though to be fair OP didn't really give context to his/her question).

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