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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    It's just the impression I get from people like Simon Moon, norman bates, Bluecrab, etc, whom I know for a fact are contemporary music enthusiasts. The more you're interested in contemporary music, the less likely you'll be interested in the "more neat-sounding old stuff".

    "I listened to some Mozart this morning, symphonies conducted by Peter Maag -- 28, 34,32. What rubbish music. This isn't music for grown ups, it's for the primary school. If the rest of his stuff is like this then I think you Mozart lovers are completely bonkers." -Mandryka
    "I too think Mozart is overrated. Imv, he is too easy to listen to with 21stC hindsight and I feel that music these days has more traits worth exploring than immediacy of appeal." -mikeh375
    "In my case I have often the impression listening to his music that I'm i world of face powder, wigs, bows, confetti, lace curtains, pink and light blue satin and and I'm completely out of place. Sort of living inside Marie Antoinette" -norman bates
    "there has been a real intolerance here for criticism of Mozart. I had a post deleted that merely referred to the recurring Mozart hagiography that fouls this forum regularly, as did Woodduck." -Bluecrab

    There are even threads from the past, like
    Mozart vs. Modernism
    Always Praising the Same Music/The Dinosaurs are Among Us
    boring pieces by Mr. Mozart
    "For every ****** Mozart cd you buy because it has his name on it (apart from the wonderful stuff he made also) you could also buy interesting music by a lesser known composer that is probably underrated and - if he's still living - might deserve your support and keep music alive." -Casebearer

    It's never a bad thing that these people appreciate contemporary music more, and their views should be respected, but I feel that if there are too many of them in a classical music forum, it'll be "problematic". It'll no longer be a true "classical music community".
    Mozart is not the only composer around before contemporary times. How about Bach, and others? You can't judge all contemporary music by only a few of its fans' preferences only.
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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    Quote Originally Posted by MusicSybarite View Post
    ... Posts like that where some people only show a cover art and repeat information that is shown in the cover art already is absolutely pointless and inane.
    Why does it bother you so much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    Other surprises...

    - That there can be 4,550 (and counting) posts about "Most beautiful soprano aria?"
    ...and even more...
    - That there can be 7,688 (and counting) posts about "Most beautiful operatic duet"

    I'm not even sure that there are over 7600 operatic duets let alone 'most beautiful'.
    Well most of that might've been going in circles in arguments. "How do you define 'beautiful'? What is 'beauty' and is it something that exists in our temporal plane or is it a totally abstract and subjective socio-political construct foisted on The Masses along with the so-called canonical composers?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Mozart is not the only composer around before contemporary times. How about Bach, and others? You can't judge all contemporary music by only a few of its fans' preferences only.
    I'm also very curious about the idea of what happens if there are "too many of them". What should the admins do, start randomly banning people who don't like Mozart?

    I mean, really, if you want an example of toxicity it's that. The idea that people who like contemporary music will ruin your classical music forum is ridiculous.
    Last edited by fbjim; Jul-31-2021 at 22:27.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    Well most of that might've been going in circles in arguments. "How do you define 'beautiful'? What is 'beauty' and is it something that exists in our temporal plane or is it a totally abstract and subjective socio-political construct foisted on The Masses along with the so-called canonical composers?"
    It's not in the arguments, if there were any. Haha.
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    You'd think they would have figured out the most beautiful aria by now. Ive been holding off on listening to opera until they solve that. Why listen to second best?


    (I like that one at the end of the first act of La Traviata)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    Well most of that might've been going in circles in arguments. "How do you define 'beautiful'? What is 'beauty' and is it something that exists in our temporal plane or is it a totally abstract and subjective socio-political construct foisted on The Masses along with the so-called canonical composers?"
    It might, but then again...

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    Oh a pleasant surprise: the "politics in religion in classical music" move seems to have been relatively good despite some misgivings I had. It doesn't get that much traffic (which may be a blessing in disguise) but it let's the people who actually like discussing that stuff do so without the high traffic levels of the general forum swamping it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    It's never a bad thing that these people appreciate contemporary music more, and their views should be respected, but I feel that if there are too many of them in a classical music forum, it'll no longer be a true "classical music community".
    Fortunately, TC does not place an upper limit on the number of modernist or traditionalist members. Your above comment is a an unhealthy attempt to create a wedge between them - not cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    It might, but then again...
    Or "Kirsten Flagstad RULEZ!" "No, Kiri Te Kanawa, to whom I listen while sipping some nice Hennessy XO..." "Hennessy is glorified urine, I drink Courvoisier..." "As a moderator I must insist we stay on topic...I'll close this thread if I must..."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil loves classical View Post
    Mozart is not the only composer around before contemporary times. How about Bach, and others? You can't judge all contemporary music by only a few of its fans' preferences only.
    Strangely, it seems that "Mozart vs Modernism" was a hot issue on the forum in the past. I just hope it doesn't happen again.
    A Thread for People who Don't Like Mozart
    "No arguments here PLEASE. Just a nice thread where we can discuss all the music that is so much better than most of the stuff Mozart wrote. I really can't stand the Mozart-Modern conflict on TC, I don't want any more civil wars. " -ComposerOfAvantGarde

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmsbls View Post
    Before joining TC, everyone had certain views of classical music, composers, and classical listeners. After joining TC, did you become aware of something(s) that greatly surprised you? The surprise could involve a composer, a body of work, a particular work, or it could be something you learned about people's views on music, listening habits, likes/dislikes, etc..
    The biggest surprise was how certain debates live on here as if they where current. After joining, I was surprised by how these sparked the sort of controversy that they did in previous centuries. The two biggest, and more or less ongoing ones, are these:

    - the Wagner versus Brahms (aka representational versus pure music, new versus old German schools of 19th cent.) debate
    - various debates around modernism, more or less set in a timewarp of the 1950's (e.g. as if postmodernism is yet to happen)

    Previously I never gave a thought to these issues, other than them being of historical interest. For example, I'm currently reading a book on Janacek and it mentions how he, like other composers of his generation (born mid 19th century), had to consider their position on the Wagner versus Brahms debate. I'm not sure why anybody would need to do that now, at least to the extent of arguing about the same sorts of issues 150 years later as if reinventing the wheel.

    Same goes with modernism. When that debate started reaching its peak on TC in about 2013, I honestly thought that some of the most forthright participants where likely to be in their eighties. In other words, they might have been around when modernism as an ideology was still going. Turns out I was wrong, by their own admission most where either in their twenties or sixties.

    I think that participating in some of those debates has at least made me refine my approach to contributing here. I've raised the bar to the point that I either reply to a topic thoroughly or not at all. I want to convey a sense of critical thinking, a bit of nuance, and avoid setting up dichotomies. It's hard because it takes time, patience and I'm not getting paid for it! Nevertheless, applying this higher standard has led to some fruitful conversations which are more like a true meeting of minds (although I realise that online communication isn't the same as conversation in real life).
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    Deleted post - there comes a time when it's just piling on... I would like to think that I'm better than that... I'm not... I just like thinking that I am.
    Last edited by Sunburst Finish; Aug-01-2021 at 03:01. Reason: Too many windows open - forgot where the hell I was at...

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    I would take fonts of all colours of the wind over those rather narcissistic internal monologues...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fbjim View Post
    You'd think they would have figured out the most beautiful aria by now. Ive been holding off on listening to opera until they solve that. Why listen to second best?


    (I like that one at the end of the first act of La Traviata)
    Solved - start here -

    Last edited by Sunburst Finish; Aug-01-2021 at 02:32.

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