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    Before joining TC, everyone had certain views of classical music, composers, and classical listeners. After joining TC, did you become aware of something(s) that greatly surprised you? The surprise could involve a composer, a body of work, a particular work, or it could be something you learned about people's views on music, listening habits, likes/dislikes, etc..

    Probably my greatest surprise was learning that more than a very few people did not like Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart. I assumed that almost everyone would place them in their top 3 or at least close to the top. Obviously, that's far from true.

    A related surprise was discovering that most people do not like many composers. Nereffid did a series of polls asking if people liked various composers. Only 35 composers were liked by more than 2/3 of the participants. I assumed many composers would be liked by a much higher percentage of listeners.

    So what surprised you?

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    Before I joined TC, I assumed that most folks agreed on the composers who are 2nd rate at best. I was way off, and over the years I've come to the point where I just consider those composers not to be my cup of tea.
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    The obsessive collectors.

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    The sea of games. I've never seen anything like it.

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    What has surprised you the most on TC?


    How humorless we all are.

    It makes me laugh.

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    What surprises me is the vitriol that some posters can generate when discussing music
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    I am pleasantly surprised by how well people have kept politics out of the forum. I can recall only one or two incidents in the past 3 years, which is BLISS compared to the rest of the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthewWeflen View Post
    I am pleasantly surprised by how well people have kept politics out of the forum. I can recall only one or two incidents in the past 3 years, which is BLISS compared to the rest of the internet.
    This tells me that Matt doesn't wander very far from his (superb) HvK thread...

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    Surprises... surprises... Let me see...

    That the subtraction of three members could do so much to alter the tone and tenor - the genial civility - of the threads under discussion.

    That all it took for peace, love, and understanding to reign supreme was the exile of one member who apparently couldn't resist appending "and Hitler" to every composer under discussion... even Hildegard of Bingen, Duke Ellington and the guy who wrote the theme song to the Lone Ranger.

    That there are still people who will enter a thread on a subject that they have no interest in for the express purpose of telling you that they have no interest in the subject under discussion.

    That I lack the administrative power to immediately delete all threads that begin with the words "I Really Hate..."

    That people continue to tell us more about who they dislike than about who they do like - and they do so as if somehow we've given them the impression that we actually care... We don't... and we're never going to despite however many times you find a way to write the exact same thing six different ways.

    That there hasn't been a change to the Terms of Service officially banning the word "Subjective"...

    That there hasn't been a change to the Terms of Service officially banning a member who uses the word "subjective" as if it were a synonym for the word "objective".

    That a copy and paste photo of an album cover from a CD that someone is only pretending to be currently listening to will receive 15 "Likes" while well-written deeply insightful threads and posts may as well be written in invisible ink for all that they accomplish.

    That writing "Wilhelm Furtwängler was a philosopher at rehearsals and a poet during performances" wasn't enough to explain the fascination with Furtwängler - It took 116 pages and 1726 posts to do what I just did with one sentence and that thread came back to life more times than Christopher Lee playing Dracula in those vintage 70's Hammer horror films.

    That people throw "Likes" around as if they were manhole covers...

    That STEM programs don't get the respect here that they deserve - STEM = Science, Technology, whatever the E stands for, and math.

    And lastly... That I'm going to have to return to explain at least one and possibly two of the jokes contained within this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunburst Finish View Post
    This tells me that Matt doesn't wander very far from his (superb) HvK thread...
    Oh, certainly political posts happen, but I think perhaps the mods do a great job of getting to them before I see them, and people generally seem to respect this as a respite from the baloney that has completely overtaken other parts of the internet. I can recall actually reporting only one post.

    The worst I generally see is stuff like "the "Left" are a bunch of relativists and therefore can't appreciate great art" which isn't enough to trip my trigger, because it's just vague dross.
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    How narrow our interests have become. A lot of interesting threads just sit dormant. Some topics that should, could, generate interesting discussions are moot. And how many people like endless lists (10 Favorite Adagios...).
    "It is surprising how easily one can become used to bad music" - F. Mendelssohn

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    Surprised? Not so much. Maybe what happens when you start a contemporary music thread...

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    The attitude to avant garde and contemporary music of many. They advance proof that such music is awful (often it comes down to popularity) but what surprises me is that they are really worried that some people actually like it. I'm not sure why. It got so bad at one point that many people with a passionate interest and good knowledge of the newer music gave up and left. Things are much better now.

    I was also a bit surprised that so many who have a sound grasp of music theory use this knowledge to trash music that they should surely recognise is revered by many others. Schubert was a big target of this for a while - with the detractors apparently desperate to convince the rest of us that we are wrong and our taste is suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    The attitude to avant garde and contemporary music of many. They advance proof that such music is awful (often it comes down to popularity) but what surprises me is that they are really worried that some people actually like it. I'm not sure why. It got so bad at one point that many people with a passionate interest and good knowledge of the newer music gave up and left. Things are much better now.

    I was also a bit surprised that so many who have a sound grasp of music theory use this knowledge to trash music that they should surely recognise is revered by many others. Schubert was a big target of this for a while - with the detractors apparently desperate to convince the rest of us that we are wrong and our taste is suspect.
    You beat me to it.

    Before I joined TC, I was a member of some other music forums (jazz and progressive music), where the vast majority of listeners always seem open to boundary pushing, innovative or even challenging music. Most prog fans are also big fans of classical music, and over on the Progressiveears.org forum, there has been a long, ongoing thread on classical music, where the majority of the composers and music mentioned are, decidedly, modern, avant-garde and contemporary. Almost the opposite of here on TC.

    Coming from the mindset of being open and receptive to new music, and posting on other forums where most felt the same way, I was originally a bit surprised that most people here did not feel the same way. But even more surprised at the contempt many had for post 1950's classical, modernism, and contemporary classical music. So much so, that many have stated that they would be happy if these never existed (as if they are forced to listen), or even not considering them classical music.

    But as you mention, things have seemed to have gotten a lot better recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunburst Finish View Post
    That people throw "Likes" around as if they were manhole covers...
    Oops. I guess that's one button I won't be pushing.

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