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Thread: Alma Deutscher deserves more love!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluteman View Post
    Unfortunately, I don't see her helping the future of classical music, but it's possible. Stokowski did that for me in Disney's Fantasia, and to a lesser extent, Bernstein. Bernstein was a wonderful musician, but as a child I thought he talked too much in those Young People's Concerts. Right now, imo a youtube violin duo called Twoset Violin is leading the way, with millions of mostly young followers worldwide, in introducing young people to great classical music.
    Yes, with their humor, content and just enough youthful irreverence they can pull in the young people. Quite popular!
    This one is my favorite. Great playing by a young girl, and then they make their attempts. ...with a moving score.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7yjfA6H870
    Albert Einstein, "I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Yes, with their humor, content and just enough youthful irreverence they can pull in the young people. Quite popular!
    This one is my favorite. Great playing by a young girl, and then they make their attempts. ...with a moving score.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7yjfA6H870
    I remember that one. Recently, Brett had a lesson with Maxim Vengerov on the Ysaye third sonata, and not long ago Eddy played the Sibelius concerto for Ray Chen! They are good sports, because they are helping kids learn the difference between their very good playing and truly great playing. And they enjoy putting on the child prodigies, including Alma. Another fun bit is when they invite their fans to compose something for them, and they get thousands of submissions, a few of which they play on their channel. That also shows that there are many very talented teen-aged composers out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluteman View Post
    Unfortunately, I don't see her helping the future of classical music, but it's possible. Stokowski did that for me in Disney's Fantasia, and to a lesser extent, Bernstein. Bernstein was a wonderful musician, but as a child I thought he talked too much in those Young People's Concerts. Right now, imo a youtube violin duo called Twoset Violin is leading the way, with millions of mostly young followers worldwide, in introducing young people to great classical music.
    Why not? You mean not writing music you personally approve of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    OK, so why is saying the same thing about John Cage or Brian Ferneyhough such a horrible trespass that enrages our modern music advocates?
    Is it? No. I do bridle at people who attack music that they clearly have not spent much or any time with. And that is the problem: when we don't like something we tend not to spend much time with it. So what we can say about it is very limited. There is a tendency to go round and round in circles - ignoring responses that should have resolved the issue - and that can also be irritating. If I posted something saying listen to this wonderful Cage piece (resist the temptation to repeat for the 1000th time a joke about 4'33", please) and others come back and say they don't like it that is fine, especially if they can give reasons that actually apply to the music, but much anti-contemporary and anti-serial is unsolicited. And when it is a response it is often based on a tired old argument (no one listens to it) that has been disproved hundreds of times. And then there is the tendency to treat the question as a "political" debate ... not to find truth and understanding but to score points over someone without even bothering to be honest or accurate ... . But, most of all, I find it tedious when it occurs in threads that are clearly for people who like the music to compare notes and when it is said or implied that those who like the music are just pretending to so as to seem cool. BTW I am not (so far, anyway) much of a Cage fan.

    I'm allergic to being put in a mob of "our modern music advocates". I like a lot of music and I dislike some. I am an individual. Like most people, here.

    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    The impulse to shut people up is also troubling.
    What impulse to shut people up do you discern in me? And why does it trouble you? I'm always happy to debate an issue but when my words are twisted or misquoted or quoted out of context to suggest I said something that I didn't ... when those things happen I get tired of the discussion. And when I find the same person doing that often I tend to feel that I would be better off ignoring them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveM View Post
    Trolling you? You responded to my post #326 which was not originally addressed to you. I have no problem with the fact that you did, but the point is that I didn’t originally seek you out.
    Did I over-react? Perhaps. But you misquoted me and twisted things I said two years ago to give a different meaning so as to prove a point. For the record (last time), I have never objected to the word "great" - I use it all the time - and all I said about the elephant picture was that I preferred it to the picture you held up as great art, a picture that I was not alone in finding "hack work" (correct me if I am wrong). This sort of misrepresentation is normally called trolling.

    Let's drop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enthusiast View Post
    Did I over-react? Perhaps. But you misquoted me and twisted things I said two years ago to give a different meaning so as to prove a point. For the record (last time), I have never objected to the word "great" - I use it all the time - and all I said about the elephant picture was that I preferred it to the picture you held up as great art, a picture that I was not alone in finding "hack work" (correct me if I am wrong). This sort of misrepresentation is normally called trolling.

    Let's drop it.
    I didn’t intentionally misrepresent anything. Following my comment about the word ‘great’, I said ‘I could be wrong about that.’ None of this was trolling.

    Now we can drop it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    Read the '&$$&ing threads. I'm not interested in arguing with a fencepost.
    I have been reading the threads, from the beginning. I reject your claims that there has been vitriol from lots of people. By all means offer some evidence to support your assertions, and we can discuss it further, presumably determining which criticisms of AD and her music are valid and which are vitriol.

    Alternatively, we could drop it, as it seeme to me that little more can be said about the OP's claim - either about what AD deserves, or about whether she is getting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post
    I have been reading the threads, from the beginning. I reject your claims that there has been vitriol from lots of people. By all means offer some evidence to support your assertions, and we can discuss it further, presumably determining which criticisms of AD and her music are valid and which are vitriol.

    Alternatively, we could drop it, as it seeme to me that little more can be said about the OP's claim - either about what AD deserves, or about whether she is getting it.
    Well, there's one more thing that's fun to check out: TwoSetViolin's take on Alma from three years ago. For those who aren't TSV fans, they love to check out child prodigy musicians, as well as famous soloists, and marvel at their skills, but they also have a keen nose for baloney, in a good-humored way. Here, they respect Alma's talent, but notice how she cheats a bit in the challenge to compose a sonata based on four randomly chosen notes in one minute. Then, though not composers themselves, they cheerfully take up the same challenge. Enjoy.


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    The title of this thread alone makes me raise an eyebrow. The only thing she deserves is honest criticism, because this is the only way she'll ever improve as a composer. There's nothing worse than a thread that makes pronouncements in which those who do criticize her are wrong because they weren't nodding their heads along with those who praise every little move she makes.
    Last edited by Neo Romanza; Sep-27-2021 at 16:14.
    "When a man is in despair, it means that he still believes in something." - Dmitri Shostakovich

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo Romanza View Post
    The title of this thread alone makes me raise an eyebrow. The only thing she deserves is honest criticism, because this is the only way she'll ever improve as a composer. There's nothing worse than a thread that makes pronouncements in which those who do criticize her are wrong because they weren't nodding their heads along with those who praise every little move she makes.
    No doubt she will appreciate a letter of criticism from your good self. Take up pen and paper right away sir!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTS View Post
    No doubt she will appreciate a letter of criticism from your good self. Take up pen and paper right away sir!
    You miss the point entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fluteman View Post
    Well, there's one more thing that's fun to check out: TwoSetViolin's take on Alma from three years ago. For those who aren't TSV fans, they love to check out child prodigy musicians, as well as famous soloists, and marvel at their skills, but they also have a keen nose for baloney, in a good-humored way. Here, they respect Alma's talent, but notice how she cheats a bit in the challenge to compose a sonata based on four randomly chosen notes in one minute. Then, though not composers themselves, they cheerfully take up the same challenge. Enjoy.
    I did enjoy. I've not come across these two before, but they were waggish (and a little naughty).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Terror View Post
    You miss the point entirely.
    Could you have missed the irony?
    Last edited by JTS; Sep-27-2021 at 18:37.

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    I discovered Twoset Violin thanks to Alma. So she has merits for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTS View Post
    Could you have missed the irony?
    I am not sure that your ‘irony’ served any discernible purpose there. It seems you’re the only one in on the joke.

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