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    Default Alma Deutscher deserves more love!

    I don't understand the Classical Music world's snubbing of Alma Deutscher, the child prodigy composer. Because she uses sonata form? Is melodious? Harmonious? Doesn't hit the ear with jagged, ugly dissonance?

    She's stlll very young and still learning, growing. I can't wait to see what symphonies she'll produce.

    As this article put it so well, it appears the lack of acceptance is due to the fact she produces "beautiful music" -- what irony! https://newcriterion.com/issues/2020...ic-to-our-ears

    "...she exists in some sense on a musical island as the waves of pop triviality and of modernist sound-without-harmonic-and-thematic-structure lap the shore."

    I've heard her improvise and listened to her piano concerto and Siren Sounds Waltz (great fun!). Will her concerto beat out Beethoven's Emperor? No. But it's still remarkable.

    What stood out in particular was the slow mvt (17 mins in). Had an almost Rachmaninoff-tinged melancholy. Look, I'm no music theorist, but this was written when she was between 9 and 12. And performed when she was 12. One is tempted to believe in Angels...

    Here's a passage from Wikipedia that gives her aesthetic in a nutshell:

    She explained that some people have told her that she should not compose beautiful melodies in the twenty-first century, because music must reflect the complexity and ugliness of the modern world. "But I think that these people just got a little bit confused. If the world is so ugly, then what's the point of making it even uglier with ugly music?"
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    "He [the average person] doesn't want to admit that there is music that challenges the intellect and rewards thought and sensitivity -- and that most music does neither and therefore appeals to lazy minds and ears."

    "If an education doesn't change what you turn to for pleasure and entertainment, it has failed!"

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    Deutscher must write what she wants, and get the love from those who want to hear what she writes. She's not going to get the love from those who don't want to hear it.
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    As this article put it so well, it appears the lack of acceptance is due to the fact she produces "beautiful music" -- what irony! https://newcriterion.com/issues/2020...ic-to-our-ears
    I think that demonstrates why music became ugly, jagged and dissonant in the first place. Her music is, let's face it, derivative. It's trying to wring every last possible drop out of common practice.

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    How about more love for some of those composers who produce that 'ugly' music?
    "Forgive me, Majesty. I'm a vulgar man. But I assure you, my music is not.“ Mozart

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    She is young. Good with instruments and basic music theory, but I think we should wait 10 or 15 years or even more before we really know what she is capable of.
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    She's an anachronism. I can't make sense of her - where did she learn to write music so fluently? Derivative or not, she would have had to listen to and know a heck of a lot of music to derive from. Her music has a prettiness that fits well with the general public's exposure to classical music: Andre Rieu, Bocelli, even Yanni. But in the long run it's going to sound really kitschy there's no edge. Every year the Tucson Symphony sponsors a young-persons composition festival and I've heard works by kids her age that are far more advanced and interesting. But still, I couldn't write as well as she does.
    "It is surprising how easily one can become used to bad music" - F. Mendelssohn

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    She has talent no doubt.

    Once she matures however; she should enter a rigorous Conservatory where they can point her in the right direction.

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    ^^^yep..been saying that for a while.

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    Perhaps she doesn't need more love *or* hate from the world at large; either of those can be problematic for adults, let alone someone so young. The more important thing would be continuing love and support from family, friends, and teachers. The rest will come over time.
    Alan

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeh375 View Post
    ^^^yep..been saying that for a while.
    And because her parents SEEM to have financial resources; she can go anywhere she wants. Julliard, Royal Conservatory in the UK; anywhere she wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbhaub View Post
    She's an anachronism. I can't make sense of her - where did she learn to write music so fluently? Derivative or not, she would have had to listen to and know a heck of a lot of music to derive from. Her music has a prettiness that fits well with the general public's exposure to classical music: Andre Rieu, Bocelli, even Yanni. But in the long run it's going to sound really kitschy there's no edge. Every year the Tucson Symphony sponsors a young-persons composition festival and I've heard works by kids her age that are far more advanced and interesting. But still, I couldn't write as well as she does.
    Yes she's talented, but it sounds to me like a pastiche with a little Mozart here, Mendelssohn or Schumann there. I just don't find it that interesting to listen to. I feel the same way about a lot of early Mozart too, for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbhaub View Post
    where did she learn to write music so fluently?
    Robert Gjerdingen

    “By the time Alma was 4, I had taught her all I could about music. We were living in Oxford then so I talked to some music teachers there and suggested that they teach her theory. They laughed and told me to come back in 10 years.

    “Then I found a book by Robert Gjerdingen about the Naples conservatory in the 18th and early 19th centuries and its method to teach the youngest students the principles of music — not as theory but through active experience. I knew this was the right way for Alma.

    “Since Alma was 5, Gjerdingen has been monitoring her development from afar. Every few months he sends her exercises and we send him some of the pieces she’s writing. He returns them with comments, which she doesn’t always accept. We’ve never met him in person.”
    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...usic-1.5375678

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    Sending love to child prodigy alma deutch!!!
    'Listen, Mister god!
    Isn't it boring
    to dip your puffy eyes,
    every day, into a jelly of clouds?'

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrosseFugue View Post
    She explained that some people have told her that she should not compose beautiful melodies in the twenty-first century[/B]
    who are these people? Who would be against beautiful melodies?

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