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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Whilst I can concede your point regarding the Beach Boys based on their early surfer sound. I would stongly suggest that 'Pet Sounds' was one of the most influential albums of the sixties - that record along with some of their later albums such as 'Surfs Up' can hardly be regarded as party music.
    The group was at the peak of its popularity, but the English invasion put them down a few notches (all for the good).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    The group was at the peak of its popularity, but the English invasion put them down a few notches (all for the good).
    I fondly remember the surfer-comb hairstyle. As kids we didn't know anything about surfing in the Big Apple. It was surreal.

    I now appreciate Brian Wilson far more than I did back then. It was curious, because to us his songs sounded like those of other groups but they weren't...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqLTe8h0-jo
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    Albert Einstein, "I live my daydreams in music. I see my life in terms of music.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    The group was at the peak of its popularity, but the English invasion put them down a few notches (all for the good).
    I am a fan of both The Beach Boys and The Beatles. And for a while they pushed each other to their greatest artistic achievements. Brain Wilson has been cited by Paul McCartney as a big influence on his bass playing but more importantly on their albums Revolver and Sgt. Pepper's. Brian Wilson has also gone on record saying that it was competition with The Beatles which spurred him on to attempt more ambitious music.

    However, The Beatles disbanded in 1970, and The Beach Boys continued on with mostly lack-luster results certainly nothing compared to their work on Pet Sounds and Smile (tracks of which came out in dribs and drabs over a period of years, in one form or another).

    For me the achievement of Brian Wilson with Pet Sounds is among the highest ever made by a Pop artist, as are several albums by The Beatles. In addition to Pet Sounds, there are individual songs by The Beach Boys such as "Heroes and Villains", "Surf's Up", and "Good Vibrations" are as good or better than anything The Beatles did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malx View Post
    Whilst I can concede your point regarding the Beach Boys based on their early surfer sound. I would stongly suggest that 'Pet Sounds' was one of the most influential albums of the sixties - that record along with some of their later albums such as 'Surfs Up' can hardly be regarded as party music.
    Wow, well that was interesting. I listened to a few songs from Surfs Up. Who woulda thunk. And then a thought popped into my head. I've often wondered what happened to the Beatles that caused them to go from basically stylized 50's bop/simple blues to Sargent Peppers, Rocky Raccoon, etc. Like a total change. And now as I said, the Beach Boys Surfs Up. Total change.

    What caused them to make such radical changes? Did they share a producer who "changed for them" and they went along? Did they just get into drugs that opened their minds to other possibilities? Etc. Any music historians here who could shed some light? It doesn't seem like it was just "hey guys let's try something different". Not taking away from them at all, you can't make the kind of music they made without being talented, having a great musical sense, etc.
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    I have a big admiration for The Beach Boys Love You, which is a demented but totally unique slice of weird proto synth pop with unguarded, naive, almost age-regressed lyrics. Somehow this manages to work and produce a great album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amfortas View Post
    Perhaps more popular (in their day) than their music warrants. I'm not sure "overrated" applies as much, since many have been dismissive of all three groups, then and now. ABBA seems to have had the most staying power, though it's debatable whether that makes them the most overrated or the best of the three.
    ABBA were making at the same time the most complex and the most catchy pop music ever. They were the pinnacle of pop music. No other pop band can be compared to them in terms of quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig Von Chumpsky View Post
    Wow, well that was interesting. I listened to a few songs from Surfs Up. Who woulda thunk. And then a thought popped into my head. I've often wondered what happened to the Beatles that caused them to go from basically stylized 50's bop/simple blues to Sargent Peppers, Rocky Raccoon, etc. Like a total change. And now as I said, the Beach Boys Surfs Up. Total change.

    What caused them to make such radical changes? Did they share a producer who "changed for them" and they went along? Did they just get into drugs that opened their minds to other possibilities? Etc. Any music historians here who could shed some light? It doesn't seem like it was just "hey guys let's try something different". Not taking away from them at all, you can't make the kind of music they made without being talented, having a great musical sense, etc.
    It's said that one of the inspirations for change was when the Beach Boys listened to Rubber Soul and came up with Pet Sounds; and when The Beatles listened to Pet Sounds, they came up with Revolver.

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/20...s-brian-wilson

    Sgt Pepper came about because of The Beatles' decision to stop touring and play in the studio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luchesi View Post
    Would that be your opinion if you had been a teenager when the Beatles crashed into groups of teens who were seeking art? Maybe it would be.

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    Why did the gamer couple break up? They were on different levels!
    Most likely. They did inspire many modern artists, even though many don't touch them in terms of inspiration.

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