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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    Thanks! I do recognize some names, but none tempt to add another Ring to my collection.
    'twon't be a Ring my friend. There is only Rheingold and Walkure with Rattle. Similar situation with Gergiev.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MAS View Post
    I hesitate to even throw out any of my Callas collection, not wanting to see her recordings in the bin, so I even went so far to put a notice on Craigslist that it’d be free to the first comer, but that they had to take ALL CDs (it was her whole EMI oeuvre.
    Wow, I should do that with my Cecilia Bartoli collection!
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    Available both on Decca Eloquence (as shown) and on Naxos Historical:
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    Last edited by gvn; Sep-04-2021 at 02:38.

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    ^^ John Culshaw's story is that releasing that incomplete* Norwegian Radio broadcast of Götterdämmerung was Kirsten Flagstad's unspoken price for her taking part in the Decca/Solti Rheingold.

    * Decca did record some of the missing parts for their release but were unable to do all of them.
    Last edited by Becca; Sep-04-2021 at 02:00.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Becca View Post
    ^^ John Culshaw's story is that releasing that incomplete* Norwegian Radio broadcast of Götterdämmerung was Kirsten Flagstad's unspoken price for her taking part in the Decca/Solti Rheingold.

    * Decca did record some of the missing parts for their release but were unable to do all of them.
    I've always thought Culshaw's descriptions of rivals to the Solti Ring were a little tendentious. (This affects his remarks about, e.g., Decca's unreleased 1955 Bayreuth Rings, the Böhm Ring, etc.) The Solti Ring was more than strong enough to stand on its own two feet, without any need for those tactics. But Culshaw (like one or two other people of genius!) suffered lifelong from an inner insecurity that needed to defend itself even when it wasn't under threat.

    In reality, the only incomplete part of the Norwegian Götterdämmerung is a short bridge passage between Act I Scenes ii and iii, which (as Culshaw himself admits) never bothered anyone until he wrote his book. Several other recorded Götterdämmerungs, and nearly all recorded Traviatas, have more abridgements than that!
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    More than a dozen isolated Ring operas with excellent casts were recorded during the 1930s and early 1940s, of course. No complete Ring cycles were recorded in those days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post


    Has a different cover now and also on Naxos.
    Thanks for sending me back to revisit this excellent recording.

    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPenfold View Post
    Leinsdorf seems like a very underrated Wagner conductor.
    I quite agree. When I was young I used to think there was something stodgy about him, but now I'm amazed by the amount of excitement & poetry in his conducting. (For the two together, both excitement & poetry, listen to the passage just before Winterstürme.)

    A great shame he didn't record more Wagner. Among live recordings, I see these:

    Rheingold-Leinsdorf-Met-1961.jpg

    Siegfried-Leinsdorf-Met-1962.jpg

    Of course those won't have beautiful Decca sound--far from it!--but putting the three together, it looks as if we have 3/4 of a Leinsdorf-London-Nilsson Ring there. Does anyone have them? On paper, Hopf looks like the only fly in the ointment.

    Unfortunately I can't find any evidence that any recorded Leinsdorf Götterdämmerung survives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gvn View Post
    Unfortunately I can't find any evidence that any recorded Leinsdorf Götterdämmerung survives.
    No, I'm wrong.

    Gotterdammerung-Leinsdorf-Met-1962.jpg

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    Wagner: Die Walküre


    Alfredo Mariotti (baritone), Penelope Walker (soprano), Poul Elming (tenor), Robert Hale (bass), Sandra Walker (mezzo-soprano), Gabriele Schnaut (mezzo-soprano), Anja Silja (soprano), Alessandra Marc (soprano), Karin Goltz (counter-tenor), Alfred Muff (bass), Ruth Falcon (soprano), Susan Marie Pierson (soprano), Susan Shafer (mezzo-soprano), Michele Crider (soprano), Katherine Ciesinski (mezzo-soprano)
    Cleveland Orchestra
    Christoph von Dohnányi
    Recorded: 1992-11-09
    Recording Venue: Severance Hall, Cleveland


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------





    Wagner: Das Rheingold


    Hanna Schwarz (mezzo-soprano), Kim Begley (tenor), Jan-Hendrik Rootering (bass), Thomas Sunnegardh (tenor), Peter Schreier (tenor), Elena Zaremba (mezzo-soprano), Gabriele Fontana (soprano), Walter Fink (bass), Franz Josef Kapellmann (bass), Nancy Gustafson (soprano), Robert Hale (bass), Margaretha Hintermeier (contralto), Ildiko Komlosi (mezzo-soprano), Eike Wilm Schulte (baritone)
    Cleveland Orchestra
    Christoph von Dohnányi
    Recorded: 1993-12
    Recording Venue: Severance Hall, Cleveland----------------------

    After two, Decca quit the recordings .
    Last edited by Rogerx; Sep-19-2021 at 15:38.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gvn View Post
    And there’s this

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    The abandoned Ring

    This will be regretted.

    I haven't heard a note of it, but I'm sure it would have added value to the aural Ring literature.




    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx;214073



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    Wagner: Die Walküre


    Alfredo Mariotti (baritone), Penelope Walker (soprano), Poul Elming (tenor), Robert Hale (bass), Sandra Walker (mezzo-soprano), Gabriele Schnaut (mezzo-soprano), Anja Silja (soprano), Alessandra Marc (soprano), Karin Goltz (counter-tenor), Alfred Muff (bass), Ruth Falcon (soprano), Susan Marie Pierson (soprano), Susan Shafer (mezzo-soprano), Michele Crider (soprano), Katherine Ciesinski (mezzo-soprano)
    Cleveland Orchestra
    Christoph von Dohnányi
    Recorded: 1992-11-09
    Recording Venue: Severance Hall, Cleveland


    -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------





    Wagner: Das Rheingold


    Hanna Schwarz (mezzo-soprano), Kim Begley (tenor), Jan-Hendrik Rootering (bass), Thomas Sunnegardh (tenor), Peter Schreier (tenor), Elena Zaremba (mezzo-soprano), Gabriele Fontana (soprano), Walter Fink (bass), Franz Josef Kapellmann (bass), Nancy Gustafson (soprano), Robert Hale (bass), Margaretha Hintermeier (contralto), Ildiko Komlosi (mezzo-soprano), Eike Wilm Schulte (baritone)
    Cleveland Orchestra
    Christoph von Dohnányi
    Recorded: 1993-12
    Recording Venue: Severance Hall, Cleveland----------------------

    After two, Decca quit the recordings .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    That's the recording I have - much better sound quality (I listened to them all before shelling out close to £200 for the 1962 L Met broadcast recording).

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    Can we start a petition requesting that all future studio Ring recordings begin with Siegfried and Götterdämmerung so we can mix and match when they run aground?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HenryPenfold View Post
    Can we start a petition requesting that all future studio Ring recordings begin with Siegfried and Götterdämmerung so we can mix and match when they run aground?
    You can try, outcome: no I am afraid . Not commercial enough these days .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rogerx View Post
    You can try, outcome: no I am afraid . Not commercial enough these days .
    I know only too well.

    Sort of problem Culshaw faced, and we know how that ended up .........

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