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    Quote Originally Posted by Itullian View Post
    Yes, she dies.
    But some of us believe there's something after death.
    And, of course, some of us don’t!
    "...it is said that first your heart sings, then you play. I think if it is not like that, then it is only just combination of notes, isn't it? " - Pandit Nikhil Banerjee, Master of the Sitar.

    ‘When in trouble, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout!‘

    ‘It will be alright in the end. If it’s not alright, it’s not the end!’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbebleu View Post
    And, of course, some of us don’t!
    Oh, there's something...

    Recycling, I suspect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Oh, there's something...

    Recycling, I suspect.
    Ha. To me it is irrelevant as I have had a wonderful life so I don't need an afterlife. But since it is fiction, let's give it to them LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    When I first heard it I couldn't stop listening to it, and sometimes I felt as if I were sinking into a deep abyss from which I would never return. At other times I felt as if I were committing a terrible sin by letting anything so ungodly affect me so powerfully.
    I just listened to Tristan again -_- Your words have come back to haunt me. It's like I disease I don't want cured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    Oh, there's something...

    Recycling, I suspect.
    Now don't you go telling me I have to keep doing that in the afterlife!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumblehorse View Post
    I just listened to Tristan again -_- Your words have come back to haunt me. It's like I disease I don't want cured.
    It has to run its course. The high fever is a sign that your immune system is working. The malady may eventually be replaced by Parsifal, which is a gentler way to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bumblehorse View Post
    I just listened to Tristan again -_- Your words have come back to haunt me. It's like I disease I don't want cured.
    Your struggle reminds me of a post I made 10 years ago: Tristan und Isolde Addiction

    I don't think it's at all really unhealthy to be passionate about the most passionate music ever written. I also understand those who dismiss it entirely as being "too much". It's the ones who claim to merely enjoy it, like it's light entertainment by any other composer, that I worry about.
    Last edited by Couchie; Sep-27-2021 at 16:24.
    Doch dieses Wörtlein: und, -wär' es zerstört,
    wie anders als mit Isoldes eignem Leben wär' Tristan der Tod gegeben?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    Your struggle reminds me of a post I made 10 years ago: Tristan und Isolde Addiction

    I don't think it's at all really unhealthy to be passionate about the most passionate music ever written. I also understand those who dismiss it entirely as being "too much". It's the ones who claim to merely enjoy it, like it's light entertainment by any other composer, that I worry about.
    That thread is worth a revisit. I've enjoyed it during my morning coffee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    That thread is worth a revisit. I've enjoyed it during my morning coffee.
    I always enjoy cringing at my old posts.
    Doch dieses Wörtlein: und, -wär' es zerstört,
    wie anders als mit Isoldes eignem Leben wär' Tristan der Tod gegeben?

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    One of the most famous musical aspects of Tristan und Isolde is the so-called “Tristan chord,” which is heard in the very first seconds of the prelude. These notes create a harmonic equivalent to the agitation and anxiousness of the lovers, never finding harmony (or harmonic resolution) until the end of the opera when the lovers find peace only in death. “Love Night and Transfiguration” is an amalgamation of dramatic music from the opera. How this version came to be is an interesting saga.

    “Franz Liszt created a concert hall work [in which he joined the beginning and end of the opera], his so-called ‘Prelude and Liebestod’ – which was never approved by Wagner. Furthermore, the title ‘Liebestod’ was misused by Liszt: that is actually the name which Wagner gave to the prelude, not the end of his opera, which he called ‘Transfiguration’ (Verklärung),” relates John Mauceri, who has edited the version we hear tonight.

    “In the 1930s, Leopold Stokowski, then music director of the Philadelphia Orchestra, created an orchestral work based on the Love Night from the end of Act Two. It ended as the second act ends, with the shocking entrance of King Mark, Isolde’s husband. (In the opera, the audience must wait another hour or so for the love music to find its conclusion, with Isolde’s Transfiguration (the misnamed ‘Liebestod’).

    Composer Dave Kopplin, who holds a Ph.D. from UCLA, is Publications Coordinator for the Los Angeles Philharmonic and Hollywood Bowl. He also is a lecturer in music at Loyola Marymount University.

    Read the whole article here:
    https://www.hollywoodbowl.com/musicd...tan-und-isolde
    Last edited by Itullian; Sep-27-2021 at 19:37.
    When all else fails, listen to Thick as a Brick.

    "Life's a long song, but the tune ends too soon for us all." Ian Anderson lyric

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    I always enjoy cringing at my old posts.
    You're just too adorable. Adoraaable. You know that, right?
    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    I didn't touch Wagner for the first 10 years of my listening. He resided in the shadows waiting for me, until I was ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    You're just too adorable. Adoraaable. You know that, right?
    I do know. Like Kundry, this hunk of green blob seduces all the boys and girls
    Doch dieses Wörtlein: und, -wär' es zerstört,
    wie anders als mit Isoldes eignem Leben wär' Tristan der Tod gegeben?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Couchie View Post
    I do know. Like Kundry, this hunk of green blob seduces all the boys and girls
    Kundry is a bisexual pedophile?

    Do not send your kids to Klingsor's Day Care.

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    Well, after having watched Der Ring last weekend all I need to do is take in Meistersinger tomorrow and I will have watched/heard all of Richard's mature works. I have to say, it sure is a pleasure entering into artistic enlightenment with you all.
    Last edited by Bumblehorse; Yesterday at 21:34.

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