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    Quote Originally Posted by Azol View Post

    I do not have problems with people enjoying Sony products.
    I have problems people believing distorted ideas coming from Sony. Fighting ideas is hopeless, maybe it's about time I should stop doing it.
    I feel the same but then I think, what about the poor guy that reads the misinformation?
    Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    I use this limited edition, Grateful Dead Pono player:



    Ohh, that surely looks lovely but not a very pocket-friendly shape

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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    Hey, listen, if you are happy, have at it!

    All the best
    So you set a hare running and then say never mind?

    You might at least explain, recognising budget considerations, why I'm wrong and why my ears will be able to readily detect superior sound quality if I...if I do what? And why I'm wrong to say that there's no such thing as original sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Triplets View Post
    I didn’t notice that much of a difference between the two Sony’s. I have both because my wife wound up liking the XM3 so much that she took mine over and when I decided to buy another the XM4 was out. Otoh the rock that I listen do doesn’t get much wilder than Fleetwood Mac so perhaps I wouldn’t notice…
    Nice to hear from someone who has both. Initially, particularly with the XM3, optimal positioning in the ears was a challenge. The XM4 are somewhat better in that regard, but (for me) still need some messing with. A solution that has helped in a major way are the Spinfit CP360 tips. Anyway, I almost prefer the XM3 and the Sony XB700s for rock/popular music because of the more pronounced bass. I find the XM4 better for classical. It is some of the ‘cleanest’ sound I’ve ever heard and the ability to pick out the positioning of separate instruments in symphonic music is striking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post
    So you set a hare running and then say never mind?

    You might at least explain, recognising budget considerations, why I'm wrong and why my ears will be able to readily detect superior sound quality if I...if I do what? And why I'm wrong to say that there's no such thing as original sound.
    You seem confused. I set nothing afoot and I did not say nevermind.
    I challanged two false statements. Period.
    I wish you well and I am sorry you do not favor my posts. They are accurate.

    As to the second paragraph of your post, I have no clue how you came to ascribe to me things I did not say.

    Peace
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    Ok. 3x 2 min rounds, the bell don't stop the count, only the referee can stop the fight

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnP View Post
    I should know better, but I'm going to weigh in at the risk of taking the OP's question in a different direction. (Don't worry, OP; I have your best interests at heart.) A cell phone is simply a limited device where audio reproduction is concerned. Headphones, earbuds, IEMs, etc. can't save a mediocre source. I use my phone for phone calls (Clutch your pearls!), checking the weather forecast, etc., etc. I use a Digital Audio Player (DAP) for music. DAPs can store any codec you like, including high resolution files. (Check the specs!) They can be found with very high storage capacity, so you can load a zillion MP3s, a large number of flac files, or quite a few WAVs, if that's your preference. (Mine holds two micro SD cards, up to 250gb each.)

    Yes, a DAP gives you one more thing to lug around in a shirt pocket; but many DAPs are no larger than a phone, and some are considerably smaller. Once you're set up with a good DAP, then it's time to consider the right headphones. (The ones you already have will suddenly sound better.) You can even have different cans for different purposes: jogging, working, airplanes, etc. All of them will sound better with a DAP. In short, I believe that the quality of the sound source is far more important than the method of transmitting the sound to the ears.
    I tried using a DAP . First I bought an Onkyo that was the size of my phone and had an Android OS that was so cluttered with apps that had nothing to do with music that it was damn near incomprehensible. The second was a Sony that was matchbook size and sounded great but had one fatal flaw-the SD card was jammed so tight in the small device that it cannot be extracted. Sony Product Support was non existent. And in the end I don’t want to be walking around with umpteen devices. There is no reason that a cell phone can’t be a DAP. I bought the LG phone that was on the cover of Stereophile a few years ago. It uses an ESS Sabre DAC and doesn’t require a separate headphone amp. Mostly I prefer a wired connection and it drives my Oppo PM3 and Meze Audio cans just fine. I mainly use headphones when I travel or if I have insomnia and don’t wish to disturb my wife .
    If the listening is Bluetooth due to the freedom from a wired connection, having arguments about degradation in SQ is beside the point. Of course it won’t be a perfect source. BT is inherently compromised and if I use it it is because I want the convenience of not being tethered to a player and because I want the noise canceling. What good is trying to listen to a $4K headphone setup if the roar of a airplane engine drowns it all out? This thread is about maximizing wireless SQ and not about having the ultimate headphone SQ

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    The Buds+ I got with a Samsung mobile telephone handset I won are fine and may be the last ones to be repairable.
    I play 16/44.1 flac out and about.
    Good battery life.
    Extra-aural Sony WX ??1000s are a good wireless model.
    Is Apple still low-fi (Sub-CD) ore have they dragged their feet into the lossless world? Good headphones or buds might be revealing of the inadequacies of the source.

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