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Thread: Alma doesn't deserve more love.

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    Default Alma doesn't deserve more love.

    I create this Thread only for make a poll.
    Last edited by JackRance; Sep-23-2021 at 17:27.

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    Oh, I thought you meant Alma Mahler!

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    This forum is filled with this anti-Alma persecution on a daily basis. Woe, woe is me!

    I don't care for her music, but she's very talented...maybe more so than a lot of Music Department faculty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    This forum is filled with this anti-Alma persecution on a daily basis. Woe, woe is me!

    I don't care for her music, but she's very talented...maybe more so than a lot of Music Department faculty.
    I know she's talented, but she's wasting her talent.

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    I voted "Like". I don't listen much to her music, but she is talented, and it is admirable that in an age, where most children wouldn't even consider listening to classical music, she is actually composing it herself. Her style isn't very original yet but she still has time to grow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JackRance View Post
    I know she's talented, but she's wasting her talent.
    Hm. How do you determine that?

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    But if change the name from Alma to John Cage the pro-mod crowd would be screaming if people said the same things.

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    I'm pretty indifferent. I'm definitely a traditionalist and don't much care for contemporary classical, but I also don't much care for pastiche. She's definitely talented and that's cool but I can't be bothered to ardently defend her or to jump on the hate bandwagon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    But if change the name from Alma to John Cage the pro-mod crowd would be screaming if people said the same things.
    And don't forget, that would be "trolling".

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    I first started hearing about her and listening to some of her music about 4 years ago. As far as I can tell, her music-making hasn't changed at all in the past 4 years - no development. True, 4 years isn't much to a middle-aged person, but it's a very long time for a young teenager. If I'm wrong about the lack of development, my apologies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bulldog View Post
    I first started hearing about her and listening to some of her music about 4 years ago. As far as I can tell, her music-making hasn't changed at all in the past 4 years - no development. True, 4 years isn't much to a middle-aged person, but it's a very long time for a young teenager. If I'm wrong about the lack of development, my apologies.
    But to be fair I get the same feeling about Philip Glass, over about 4 decades.

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    Whatever happened to Jay Greenberg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    But if change the name from Alma to John Cage the pro-mod crowd would be screaming if people said the same things.
    Not at all.

    As one who listens to almost exclusively modern, avant-garde, contemporay classical, I have made my dislike for Cage's music pretty obvious.

    The problem I have with the way the anti-modernists seem to trot our Cage anytime they are looking for a quick way to dismiss all of modernism.

    The problem I have with Deutscher, is her pastiche (from over 100 years ago) method of composing, and her (false) statements about all modern music being ugly.

    If a composer in 1800, composed in the style of 1680, that would not have gone over too well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simon Moon View Post
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    The problem I have with Deutscher, is her pastiche (from over 100 years ago) method of composing, and her (false) statements about all modern music being ugly. ...
    In the first place, did she actually say all modern music is ugly? And even if she did, can you prove her wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnie Burgess View Post
    But if change the name from Alma to John Cage the pro-mod crowd would be screaming if people said the same things.
    The complaint about Deutscher is not so much that people hate her music or think her works are not music at all. The complaint is that she composes in an old style. If someone said Cage composed in an old style, I assume people would be confused and maybe explain why that is not true. I suspect that you are missing the point about the various critiques of Deutscher.

    Quote Originally Posted by SanAntone View Post
    Whatever happened to Jay Greenberg?
    I wondered whether any composer has had significant success (defined in terms of musical reputation not financial) writing in a very old style. I know many composers have extended a period (e.g. those writing neo-Romantic well into the 20th century), but has anyone written in a style that other composers have discarded say 100 years ago and been considered notable? I guess one possible example is film music, but that's really a different category.

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