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    Quote Originally Posted by Livly_Station View Post
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    The scherzo is at least reminiscent of Beethoven from time to time, though taken as a whole it sounds like something a clever composition student might offer, tongue in cheek, under the title "Beethoven and Friends: A Potpourri."

    The finale is utterly baffling in every way, sounding like nothing anyone would compose, ever (possibly excepting Peter Schickele, who might have called it "Disemboweled Movement with Organ Transplant"). The little quotation/parody of the adagio of Beethoven's "Pathetique" piano sonata at 15:04 made me laugh. The whole movement leaves me with the weird feeling that I've just attended a university graduation ceremony where the band played "Gaudeamus Igitur" for thirteen minutes straight.
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    Well the thing is, that 4th movement is labeled "rondo" but...it doesn't seem to be one. It just goes from one thing to another. It just doesn't sound like Beethoven at all to me. Now if AI made this from scratch, awesome...but AI music wouldn't be for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    Well the thing is, that 4th movement is labeled "rondo" but...it doesn't seem to be one. It just goes from one thing to another.
    That's true. I wonder why it was called a Rondo. I don't know if it's the AI who names it, or the musicologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vtpoet View Post
    None if what you're writing is new to me. The simple fact is that no streaming service with a library comparable to Spotify, Amazon or my own CD collection is going to compare to my CD collection in audio quality. So you can eliminate streaming.
    That's fine to me. I have nothing against that. I also look for better audio files whenever it's possible, but I also don't exclude streaming from my life because it's a useful service, and I think the the audio quality is not that meaningfully different. So the fact that, apparently, the recording of this AI 10th would be available only for CD was bizarre to me.

    But, you object, one can download lossless FLAC from Prestomusic! (But many albums are still only available as MP3s and Amazon doesn't offer FLAC at all). But let's say you get some, on what equipment are you going to play those FLAC files? What is going to convert those FLAC files (or pick your lossless audio) to audio and will the equipment compare to a high end CD player. Highly unlikely without exorbitant expense.
    That's a tricky question. The expense of a high end CD player is not so different from the expense of setting up a good equipament to listen to music at the computer, and usually you can connect your computer to the CD player through a cable.

    For me, a good pair of headphones or monitors is already enough for my lossless or MP3 files, but it's in my buy-list to get an 'audio interface' to maximize the sound fidelity and do some music production at home.

    Except that in blind tests no one could tell the difference between 16 and 24:

    https://archimago.blogspot.com/2014/...t-part-ii.html

    Because differentiating that difference, as it is explained at other sites, is beyond the capability of the human ear. So. That, as a practical matter, means that if you want the widest selection of music with the best audio quality, you're going to have to buy CDs.
    That's very interesting, but I didn't understand the research. As far as I know, the difference between 16 and 24 bit-depth is not about sound quality, but rather dynamic range, meaning that with 24 bit-depth you can mix a larger loudness range from your quietest sound to the loudest in decibels. And this difference is perceptible to the human ear (if you don't get deaf), but also... useless, because it doesn't really happen much in music at all.

    So I agree with you that we don't really need 24 bit... but it is the most faithful, if that's the goal we're aiming, not to forget the sample rate too. Personally, that's not my goal since I'm mostly fine even with streaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livly_Station View Post
    That's true. I wonder why it was called a Rondo. I don't know if it's the AI who names it, or the musicologists.
    The programmer, who has the mindset to compose stuff like

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodduck View Post
    The finale is utterly baffling in every way, sounding like nothing anyone would compose, ever (possibly excepting Peter Schickele, who might have called it "Disemboweled Movement with Organ Transplant").
    Do you suppose the AI was also deaf?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    The programmer, who has the mindset to compose stuff like
    This is porn's Rule 34 for music—if it can be heard, there is music of it.

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    My copy of the Beethoven X AI Project CD has arrived.
    There are 6 tracks on it, the 1st 4 of which are LVB's 8th symphony.
    The last 2 tracks are the 10th and are titled as movements 3 & 4.
    This gives one pause to wonder why mvmt's 1 & 2 were not included and if there was a 5th or even a 6th mvmt.
    Although the Bonn Beethoven Orchestra plays well, the 2 movements are influenced by previous Beethovian motifs, especially the 1st.
    The very 1st track failed to play at all, an "unable to play" error produced, this CD was cheaply packaged and overall, disappointing as it simply is not worth the $16 price, IMO.
    Your money would be much better spent on Barry Cooper's effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael122 View Post
    My copy of the Beethoven X AI Project CD has arrived.
    There are 6 tracks on it, the 1st 4 of which are LVB's 8th symphony.
    The last 2 tracks are the 10th and are titled as movements 3 & 4.
    This gives one pause to wonder why mvmt's 1 & 2 were not included and if there was a 5th or even a 6th mvmt.
    Although the Bonn Beethoven Orchestra plays well, the 2 movements are influenced by previous Beethovian motifs, especially the 1st.
    The very 1st track failed to play at all, an "unable to play" error produced, this CD was cheaply packaged and overall, disappointing as it simply is not worth the $16 price, IMO.
    Your money would be much better spent on Barry Cooper's effort.
    There are so many things that don't make any sense, lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by dissident View Post
    Yeah, well...what's with the organ in the 4th movement? And it seems that I hear snippets of the 5th symphony in there. It's all over the place...a chorale-like something with loud chords after each line, another section that sounds like Rossini...at around the 17:00 mark it even sounds like some John Williams thrown in there
    I hear a mixture of Chopin and Mendelssohn in the finale that, if refined, could make for a nice piano piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hammeredklavier View Post
    The programmer, who has the mindset to compose stuff like
    If I had a time machine I would show this score to Mozart just to see what his reaction would be.

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    I'd show it to Beethoven, then I'd get the heck outta there.

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