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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post
    Not even the great John Williams?
    I would hardly think that John Williams himself would seriously think that he is in a position to judge between the likes of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart.
    Last edited by JTS; Oct-17-2021 at 08:34.

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    Well he did, though, didn't he...for fun I'm sure...setting them alongside Brahms and Haydn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTS View Post
    I would hardly think that John Williams himself would seriously think that he is in a position to judge between the likes of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart.
    I am glad you don't take it seriously that it's between those three.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JTS View Post
    Where did I say they took themselves seriously? I certainly hope they didn’t!
    It's possible to interpret your post that way...but I did make an assumption. Apologies.

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    So, you've never taken seriously any ranking or rating or evaluation of composers, one over another?

    I must say you seemed pretty serious about what you regarded as the neglect of Handel.

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    Speaking of John Williams, he sets Haydn above Mozart, and Mozart above the others. In fact I wouldn't know if he truly believes these five form the pinnacle of music--he seems highly influenced by much other music. But that's his established composer preference at least. I wouldn't know what else we're talking about.

    A John Williams fan forum on the other hand would rank the composers differently. In terms of popularity, something of a popular sample like:

    1. Williams
    2. Beethoven
    3. Mahler
    4. Prokofiev
    5. Mozart
    6. Wagner
    7. Stravinsky
    8. Debussy
    9. Holst
    10. Shostakovich
    11. Dvorak
    12. Bach
    13. R Strauss
    14. Bernstein
    15. Grieg
    16. Bruckner
    17. Tchaikovsky
    18. Vaughan Williams
    19. Elgar
    20. Rachmaninoff

    This is not a ranking in the technical term, but a survey where rankings are added up, someone's 1 given a bit more points than 2 etc. A ranking is an individual consideration that doesn't consider who's popularly listed by others.

    Unfortunately we have some bias induced in us to include popular composers in our own personal definitions of greatness. Thus even some of our personal rankings aren't true rankings. Most of the results of this thread are identical, the 3 Bs and Wagner and Mozart. Not great information. This survey is probably infinitely more useful (but please don't post its total results there. I'm keeping it open for individual thought and reconsideration for a few years.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JTS View Post
    I would hardly think that John Williams himself would seriously think that he is in a position to judge between the likes of Bach, Beethoven and Mozart.
    To be fair, I don't think even Bach, Beethoven, and Mozart would have been warranted to judge between themselves in any fluffy Platonic way.
    Last edited by VoiceFromTheEther; Oct-17-2021 at 13:31.

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    I had hoped this thread would not get derailed with the discussion concerning "greatness" and if or how it can be judged. So, I will offer my own criteria:

    Only those composers whose music, in at least one work, has had an impact across periods from their own lifetimes to the present.

    Composers whose music has remained in the standard repertory, season after season, as well as received a large number of recordings. The music has been the focus of serious attention by conductors and performing artists, often becoming a speciality.

    Composers who have enjoyed wide and consistent critical opinion of their importance and influence.


    This is the standard I used when I compiled my list of five, and my list did not mirror a list of my favorites.

    I did not find it difficult.
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    Does the order matter?

    alphabetical order:

    Bach
    Beethoven
    Bruckner
    Tchaikovsky
    Wagner

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    And to neutralize the situation, this is my universal definition of greatness.

    https://youtu.be/RySHDUU2juM?t=40

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post
    So, you've never taken seriously any ranking or rating or evaluation of composers, one over another?

    I must say you seemed pretty serious about what you regarded as the neglect of Handel.
    I didn’t take seriously the neglect of Handel because I didn’t take the BBCpoll seriously. I said it was dumb not to include Handel. The argument came when people, to my utter astonishment, took issue with my statement. I don’t take polls like this too seriously because it is exceedingly difficult to weigh one against the other in the matter of art. For example you might say that Beethoven compose the greatest piano sonatas and string quartets, Mozart the greatest operas, Bach the greatest choral music, etc, but just how do we make an objective judgment? Obviously personal preference comes into it and one might certainly change one’s mind several times during ones lifetime.
    Last edited by JTS; Oct-17-2021 at 15:03.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereality View Post
    A John Williams fan forum on the other hand would rank the composers differently. In terms of popularity, something of a popular sample like:

    1. Williams
    2. Beethoven
    3. Mahler
    4. Prokofiev
    5. Mozart
    6. Wagner
    7. Stravinsky
    8. Debussy
    9. Holst
    10. Shostakovich
    11. Dvorak
    12. Bach
    13. R Strauss
    14. Bernstein
    15. Grieg
    16. Bruckner
    17. Tchaikovsky
    18. Vaughan Williams
    19. Elgar
    20. Rachmaninoff
    Is there a source poll to this list or it just came from the top of your head?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereality View Post
    Unfortunately we have some bias induced in us to include popular composers in our own personal definitions of greatness. Thus even some of our personal rankings aren't true rankings. Most of the results of this thread are identical, the 3 Bs and Wagner and Mozart. Not great information.
    Bach, Beethoven, Mozart, Wagner and Brahms are popular amongst music connoisseurs and enthusiasts alike because they are great, not perceived as great only due to their popularity. They aren't just the last pop band or videogame soundtrack composer to make success with casual listeners due to commercial reasons - their music has been already subjected to the test of time and was approved with praise.
    Last edited by Xisten267; Oct-17-2021 at 15:23.

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    Bach
    Beethoven
    Debussy
    Stravinsky
    Shostakovich

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    Will the results be compiled like those in the original poll were?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aries View Post
    Does the order matter?
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by VoiceFromTheEther View Post
    Will the results be compiled like those in the original poll were?
    I will sort all the posted lists and then subtotal the results after the week of voting has ended.

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