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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    Is retirement selfish?
    Like others, I don't think retirement is selfish. I have paid many many thousands of dollars into my retirement pension fund for decades and I intend on using this when I retire. I am taking back what is owed to me. Owed to me with interest. I have given to society by teaching thousands of students.

    Perhaps I'm reading too much into this statement, but to me, it implies that we can't take anything from society, we should only give.

    Retired people do contribute to society, but perhaps not with hard labour. They contribute in a myriad of ways far too complex to summarize here in a sentence or two.

    I would like to think that by the time I expire, I will have contributed more to society than I have taken. The first 20 years or so, I took more than I gave, the next 40 years I gave far more to society than I took, and for the last twenty years, I'll take more than I give. The net balance is that I will have given more than I took. That's not being selfish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    Is retirement selfish?
    no, it is a natural evolution captioned in a term for all to understand.
    There was no cowardice in the decision. I am not fearful, I am resolved, pragmatic and disciplined.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senza sordino View Post
    Like others, I don't think retirement is selfish. I have paid many many thousands of dollars into my retirement pension fund for decades and I intend on using this when I retire. I am taking back what is owed to me. Owed to me with interest. I have given to society by teaching thousands of students.

    Perhaps I'm reading too much into this statement, but to me, it implies that we can't take anything from society, we should only give.

    Retired people do contribute to society, but perhaps not with hard labour. They contribute in a myriad of ways far too complex to summarize here in a sentence or two.

    I would like to think that by the time I expire, I will have contributed more to society than I have taken. The first 20 years or so, I took more than I gave, the next 40 years I gave far more to society than I took, and for the last twenty years, I'll take more than I give. The net balance is that I will have given more than I took. That's not being selfish.
    I do not mean this as an insult and I'm happy you're content with the balance you've found, but this is as selfish as it gets. Maybe egotistical is a better word.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eljr View Post
    no, it is a natural evolution captioned in a term for all to understand.
    Well I don't know. We've disproportionally extended the span of our elderly years.

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    ^^ artificially.

    Btw for what it's worth, I agree retired people contribute to society, obviously. But I do believe retirement and the desire thereof is inherently selfish, not that there's anything wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forster View Post

    Have a care when you throw around such pejorative terms with a whiff of political intent.
    Absolutely no political intent (I don't even know what that means here?), and pejorative is your reading not mine.

    I think you sound like a grumpy old person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Brahms, the energy thing only gets worse as you get older so don't waste your youth slaving away at a juice draining job. Life goes by fast. Before you know it you'll be 50 years old and your days of youthful energy will be gone. Wasted at the office.
    I hate Capitalism more and more with every passing day. But I see no viable alternative. We need a change of mindset and social values, not politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    Uh, it is. If everyone retired, nothing would function. Not yet anyway.
    You don't retire at 14 at least in the countries I am familiar with.
    "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Brahms, the energy thing only gets worse as you get older so don't waste your youth slaving away at a juice draining job. Life goes by fast. Before you know it you'll be 50 years old and your days of youthful energy will be gone. Wasted at the office.
    My best years were in my 50s at last I had enough money and energy to do the things that I wanted, it is only now in my mid 80s that my health is a negative but life is still worth living.
    "Understeer is when you hit the wall with the front of the car, oversteer is when you hit the wall with the rear of the car.

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    When I took early retirement at 58 I took an entire year off and did absolutely nothing, except cooking, laundry and housekeeping stuff ... and yes, eating and sleeping, too.

    That full year of being idle is what it took, for me, to stop the whole rat race of getting up at 4am every day, heading of to work and not getting home some days until 9pm. I was working two jobs in order to survive being a single parent.

    Then I volunteered in a thrift shop for about 7 years checking out electronics and putting them out for sale. I was also the finance guy for the store and handled all the banking and reports for the owners.

    Along with that came along two ushering gigs, one at a very prominent performance venue on a university campus, the other the main downtown theater, also very well known and respected.

    My 2nd job has continued (professional organist) to this day and is a nice supplemental income to my government pension (Social Security) and we are doing well.

    We started planning very early on for retirement investing every penny we could towards our retirement goals paying into one annuity after another and our IRA's.

    So to answer the question, no, retirement is anything but. Every day is a Saturday, except when Saturday is also Saturday and a Sunday which is when I am working at church. I take Tuesday as my total do nothing day off ... I don't schedule anything for that day, no doctor visits, no nothing ... it's all about me that one day.

    Best advice is to make plans now for what you want to do when retirement occurs ... and ... invest in yourself/yourselves, YOU pay yourselves FIRST by investing in your future.

    We are financially secure with stipends from those annuities we paid into, and our Social Security .. not rich by any means, but when we need to but something we just make it happen, spur of the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Krummhorn View Post
    That full year of being idle is what it took, for me, to stop the whole rat race of getting up at 4am every day, heading of to work and not getting home some days until 9pm.
    Do you find you still dream about work? I do. I'm usually late for a meeting, need to use the restroom, and discover there's no porcelain in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    Ok I will explain the context of my discussion. I am 22. I am lazy and I do not like working long hours (40 hours a week is, by any account, incredibly long). I do enjoy contributing to society and especially to the lives of those close to me in various ways, including through work.
    Okay, here's a cup of advice from somebody 3x your age. Find a job you enjoy.

    Then 40hrs/wk won't seem so much, and being retired won't seem "selfish" so much as passing the fun to somebody else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Do you find you still dream about work? I do. I'm usually late for a meeting, need to use the restroom, and discover there's no porcelain in it.
    Regularly for many years (I took early retirement in 2012). The theme of the dreams was similar: I knew I was retired, but I still kept going to work even though I was not paid for it. Then something happened at work that made me say: why am I here? I'm retired, I'm going home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    Absolutely no political intent (I don't even know what that means here?)
    Your reference to capitalism? You do it again in #112. You know that politics is off limits on the board, but you want to link the "selfishness" of retirement to capitalism.

    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    and pejorative is your reading not mine.
    "selfish" isn't a pejorative term?

    Quote Originally Posted by BrahmsWasAGreatMelodist View Post
    I think you sound like a grumpy old person.
    Call me '"selfish" and expect sweetness and light, eh?

    I notice you pick out one line of my post, but have nothing to say about the rest. You might give some thought to my rejection of your claim that the retired take out more than they give.

    I appreciate Krummhorn's detailed post, but would not entirely agree with his final piece of advice. I'd lean more to what NoCoPilot says: find a job (or jobs) you can enjoy doing. I didn't decide what I wanted to do until two years after I'd left college. Two years either unemployed or doing temp jobs, but having a great time having left home, drinking, listening to lots of post-punk and new wave and wondering why the BBC weren't snapping me up.

    Once I'd decided to be a primary school teacher, the career followed, though I didn't stay in the classroom. But at my very first interview, I was asked where did I think I would be in 5 years time.

    I hadn't the faintest idea.

    I didn't get the job, but it didn't seem to do me any harm in the long run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoCoPilot View Post
    Okay, here's a cup of advice from somebody 3x your age. Find a job you enjoy.

    Then 40hrs/wk won't seem so much, and being retired won't seem "selfish" so much as passing the fun to somebody else.
    I enjoyed my job today. I was productive and left promptly at 3 pm. I'm in a much better mood about it now

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