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    As I was listening to some music last night my wife heard the attached piece. She commented that it was quite different from what I usually listen to.
    From the few things I've posted here you may know that I enjoy baroque music...

    If you're willing to play along with me what I would like for you to do is:

    identify the period being as specific as possible

    explain why you have chosen a specific period and in musical terms why you think this piece fits that period.

    identify the composer and the piece itself.

    Now because I listen to baroque does not mean this will be baroque~doesn't mean it isn't either....

    I am really looking to understand how and why music fits into various time periods from a musical perspective.
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    Period: Mid baroque, possibly mid-late 17th century

    Why?: There are a lot of embellishments that set it firmly in the Baroque period as opposed to the classical, but the counterpoint isn't complex enough to be considered late Baroque either and its 'dancey' rhythm is reminiscent of late 17th century Baroque ala Purcell.

    Who?: I am going to go out on a limb and guess Jean Baptiste-Lully

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    So counterpoint (is this the same thing as contrapuntal?) is a characteristic of baroque music?

    Thanks for offering your answers to my questions. I'll with hold any specific info until more if any other folks decide to play...
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    I'm still not totally sure. There are a great number of cadences in this piece, which is a prominent feature in the music of late Baroque composers Handel, Vivaldi and Bach. Also I take back what I said about the late Baroque being more complex than early Baroque, which only carried on in the tradition the highly polyphonic music of the Renaissance. Bach was a master of polyphony and is often said to have taken his influences from various time periods, whereas Handel and Vivaldi emphasised clear melodic lines and phrases and were part of the trend that led to the style galant and eventually the classical music of Haydn and Mozart.

    Some more knowledgable posters than me will probably be better at explaining it.

    By the way, is the Avison ensemble named after the composer Avison? I believe he is from my neck of the woods.

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    Charles Avison (1709-1770). Englishman, studied under Geminiani.

    Violin concerto in g minor, second movement "adagio", Opus 6

    All the info is on the MP3 file. I found the music lack-lustre.

    http://www.rslade.co.uk/avison/index.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Avison

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    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
    Charles Avison (1709-1770). Englishman, studied under Geminiani.

    Violin concerto in g minor, second movement "adagio", Opus 6

    All the info is on the MP3 file. I found the music lack-lustre.

    http://www.rslade.co.uk/avison/index.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Avison
    And it seems I was very wrong about the time period (before I looked at the name of the track and saw Avison). Avison lived to see most of the 18th century.

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    Hmmm... I guess I know very little about computers. I did not see any reference to who the composer is. How did you guys find it?

    I am also a little confused the you describe the piece as adagio when the attachment itself says

    02 violin concerto in g minor o~1 ii allegro.mp3



    Quote Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
    Charles Avison (1709-1770). Englishman, studied under Geminiani.

    Violin concerto in g minor, second movement "adagio", Opus 6

    All the info is on the MP3 file. I found the music lack-lustre.

    http://www.rslade.co.uk/avison/index.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Avison
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    I would not have guessed Avison, though I enjoy his concerti grossi very much. It sounds vaguely French to me - like Rameau, but without the excess ornamentation. I do not find it lack - luster. I need to pull out my Avison for a listen.

    Are you willing to give one of mine a stab, hawk? Or anyone?

    http://home.comcast.net/~alienart/Cl...ry%20piece.mp3

    Just roughly the time period would do.

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    The late 18th century, mid-classical. I'm thinking Mozart's Vienna era.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Il Seraglio View Post
    The late 18th century, mid-classical. I'm thinking Mozart's Vienna era.
    You are good. Close, but not quite. When I first heard it, I thought it sounded late baroque or early galant , almost like Vivaldi. I was trying to be sneaky, but obviously it's not baroque.
    Last edited by Weston; Jan-22-2010 at 05:56.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hawk View Post
    Hmmm... I guess I know very little about computers. I did not see any reference to who the composer is. How did you guys find it?

    I am also a little confused the you describe the piece as adagio when the attachment itself says

    02 violin concerto in g minor o~1 ii allegro.mp3

    As soon as I played it on my media player, it showed all the relevant details about the work. Once I spotted that, I went to the Naxos website, found the work, played a sample and hey presto confirmed that it was the same piece. A few more google searches later and I had found out virtually all there is to know about the composer, or as near as makes no difference for present purposes. My reference to "adagio" was only a minor slip. As you say, it's the second movement "allegro".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Weston View Post
    Are you willing to give one of mine a stab, hawk? Or anyone?

    http://home.comcast.net/~alienart/Cl...ry%20piece.mp3

    Just roughly the time period would do.
    Very well. The piece was written in 1812 by an adolescent Mendelssohn, the String Symphony No. 12, movement 3. I thought those works seemed very anachronistic.

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