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    Quote Originally Posted by flamencosketches View Post
    I would totally believe that that's really the name of a Stockhausen work. But my Google search returns nothing

    I will look into Mantra.
    I'm in the same situation and am looking up Mantra now. So far so good!

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    Oh my...

    That was legendary

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    This is the recording that Stockhausen endorsed. It's been very hard to obtain until recently, now it's on various streaming and download sites. I heard them play it in London and it was a great concert -- the recording is beautiful I think.

    Another piece which I remember really loving when I first started to explore Stockhausen is Momente, it's a but dated (it reminds me of those experiments that Peter Brook and Ted Hughes did), but is still wonderful nonetheless. There are a couple of versions and I remember thinking one was better than the other, I can't remember the details though. This is the one I like I think

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    And then there's Stimmung, which always makes me laugh because it's like a bunch of stoned hippies trying to chant a mantra -- this is a goody

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    But maybe my favourite thing by Stockhausen is this, Freude



    Vol. 84 of The Stockhausen Edition is, I think, the only commercial recording.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mandryka View Post
    ..And then there's Stimmung, which always makes me laugh because it's like a bunch of stoned hippies trying to chant a mantra --
    That's a very "Catholic" reading, revealing, and probably why La Monte Young's The Well Tuned Piano is often written-off by orthodox Westerners.

    Stimmung is about singing: overtones emphasized by positions of the singer's mouths. I hope you can take it seriously from that aspect.

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    Welcome back, million. I hope the food was okay in the TC detention center. I ordered that Wergo CD with Kontra-Punkte, and Seitmasze.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Welcome back, million. I hope the food was okay in the TC detention center. I ordered that Wergo CD with Kontra-Punkte, and Seitmasze.
    Thank you, star thrower! If I get permanently banned, like Paul Best was, you will be one of the few members I will miss. In case that happens, I will send you my e-mail in a PM.

    {later edit}

    I get no confirmation, I guess you have PM turned off, and I fully understand that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Thank you, star thrower! If I get permanently banned, like Paul Best was, you will be one of the few members I will miss. In case that happens, I will send you my e-mail in a PM.

    {later edit}

    I get no confirmation, I guess you have PM turned off, and I fully understand that.
    It's the other way around. I attempted to acknowledge your PM but received a message stating you can not be reached via PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    It's the other way around. I attempted to acknowledge your PM but received a message stating you can not be reached via PM.
    As long as you got my e-mail address, it doesn't matter. For understandable reasons, I have turned off my private messaging.

    I assumed that the reason you publicly welcomed me back is because you did not want to send it as a PM; that makes it an even more gracious gesture!

    I'm not getting "message sent" acknowledgements on my end, and due to the tense atmosphere around here concerning the Wagner issue and my recent month-and-a half banning, I am somewhat suspicious of such things.

    BTW, found "The Messiaen Companion" in softcover. Excellent book! I will comment on it in the Messiaen guestbook.
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    When it comes to Wagner I just listen to the music. I don't care about left/right politics or any of that extraneous stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    When it comes to Wagner I just listen to the music. I don't care about left/right politics or any of that extraneous stuff.
    Yesh shir, you're my good ol' palsy-walsy, ain'tcha, starrie?

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Yesh shir, you're my good ol' palsy-walsy, ain'tcha, starrie?
    Whatever? I'm just a participant on a forum. I'm not interested in any drama with people and their hangups including you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    Whatever? I'm just a participant on a forum. I'm not interested in any drama with people and their hangups including you.
    Who posted a message to my very dramatic "nemesis" as you characterized it. Sure, you don't want to get involved...I believe you...

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    Quote Originally Posted by millionrainbows View Post
    Who posted a message to my very dramatic "nemesis" as you characterized it. Sure, you don't want to get involved...I believe you...
    You could learn something from Woodduck but you seem intent on being argumentative and trying to push his buttons which isn't working. But concerning this thread I'm just looking for a few more interesting Stockhausen CDs. Mainly orchestral stuff as I am not that interested in percussion or piano. The electronic stuff can be interesting but I haven't heard that much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by starthrower View Post
    You could learn something from Woodduck but you seem intent on being argumentative and trying to push his buttons which isn't working.
    I have my views on Wagner and German culture which don't concern the music per se except as the overall "art": only the content of the operatic imagery, and Wagner's own views on Jews. I think these factors need to be remembered and restated as "maintenance."

    We come to these forums because we like to express our opinions on music, positive or negative. Everyone should be allowed to praise their favorites and put down who they don't like.

    I think the reason the Wagner threads tend to derail is just as much attributable to the reaction and defensiveness to negative comments.

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    ome opinions are worth stating and some are not. The difference? Knowledge and understanding. An opinion based on knowledge and understanding is more valuable than one based on ignorance and intolerance.

    I originally responded to the "warning" thread in Area 51 about this to clarify my intent and position. I don't like to see discussion content restricted; other members also expressed concerns about restrictions on content.

    If my views upset any pro-Wagnerians it's not my problem. I'm through commenting about it. You will notice that I withdrew from the "politics and religion" thread after I was challenged to continue the conflict; and the truth is, I'm not that heavily invested in Wagner.

    I haven't "barged in" to any Wagner threads. It's unfortunate that I am seen by some as an antagonist in the matter.

    But concerning this thread I'm just looking for a few more interesting Stockhausen CDs. Mainly orchestral stuff as I am not that interested in percussion or piano. The electronic stuff can be interesting but I haven't heard that much.
    I hope you can find something; I've already made my recommendations.
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    I saw it too, but it has apparently been removed. I didn't take the bait. There were several of these posts in "Latest Purchases" which were supposedly giving "free music files" for download.

    The last time I experienced an attempt like this was on a site which offered "free software downloads" related to some software updates I was interested in. It "took over" my computer and would not allow me to exit. I had to cut the power and disconnect from the internet. Also, I had to delete some apps that were put in.

    He was probably Russian or Czeck, because the sites were in Czeck language.
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