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Thread: Elfen Lied's theme is amazing. But is it truely original ?

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    Default Elfen Lied's theme is amazing. But is it truely original ?

    Original or riped off or inspired from another composer ? ...i'm surprised that such a great theme was created for a japanese anime series.

    composed by Yukio Kondo
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2h...ing_shortfilms

    about the lyrics:
    "uses lyrics taken from biblical passages in Psalms and the Epistle of James, as well as the Renaissance hymn Ave mundi spes Maria, in Ecclesiastical Latin. "

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    That opening is the only good thing about Elfen Lied... I'm curious as well though, hope someone can figure it out.

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    Don't see what's so great about it.... some lame minor chords, small progression and then deceptive cadence. Big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    Don't see what's so great about it.... some lame minor chords, small progression and then deceptive cadence. Big deal.
    Compared to the usual opening ie. something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtcM...eature=related , that opening is pure genius. -_-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    Don't see what's so great about it.... some lame minor chords, small progression and then deceptive cadence. Big deal.
    Well , when i say "amazing"...i'm not talking about the complexity of the composition itself but more of the emotion it exudes. Then again , it's just afterall...a matter of personal taste. But i really love the melody of this song.

    Obviously if you're a hardcore classical music snob type , you're not gonna enjoy it...you'll simply think it's ****.. Not everything has to be as complex as Brahms , Chopin, Bach , Bartok or Ravel etc...to be enjoyable.

    Take Brian Eno for example...Ambient-minimalism at it's best....Yet very emotional music. (or not..)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJBxva-NyiI

    or boards of canada

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBZeWjGjl8

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    Quote Originally Posted by mueske View Post
    Compared to the usual opening ie. something like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAtcM...eature=related , that opening is pure genius. -_-
    that too..

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    The classical snob part of my brain says the same thing as Rasa; that there's simply nothing interesting going on there. And certainly it is a fact that this piece isn't anything original or innovative really. But for some reason, I do find this opening kinda moving. The same thing kinda applies to the anime itself; when I watched it was very intense and touching but when I now think about it, it seems very silly. Examples of how too much analytical thinking can spoil the fun.

    Oh and here's the full version, it has a beautiful middle section: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaV6eDvgiG4

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    Quote Originally Posted by display View Post
    Well , when i say "amazing"...i'm not talking about the complexity of the composition itself but more of the emotion it exudes. Then again , it's just afterall...a matter of personal taste. But i really love the melody of this song.

    Obviously if you're a hardcore classical music snob type , you're not gonna enjoy it...you'll simply think it's ****.. Not everything has to be as complex as Brahms , Chopin, Bach , Bartok or Ravel etc...to be enjoyable.

    Take Brian Eno for example...Ambient-minimalism at it's best....Yet very emotional music. (or not..)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJBxva-NyiI

    or boards of canada

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrBZeWjGjl8
    I own and thoroughly enjoy Here Come the Warm Jets, Evening Star, Another Green World and The Campfire Headphase, yet I still found that Elfen Lied song pretty awful. It's just written in a style I don't really like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    I own and thoroughly enjoy Here Come the Warm Jets, Evening Star, Another Green World and The Campfire Headphase, yet I still found that Elfen Lied song pretty awful. It's just written in a style I don't really like.
    fair enough...but like i said above , it's afterall , just a matter of personal taste.
    Still , i had to mention the likes of Eno or boards of canada (as examples) , "just in case" because it seems like this forum is filled with a lot of "music snobs"..

    Some people even say that certain pieces "sound like film music"...(insinuating that it's mediocre)...But here again , there's some original soundtracks which are fantastic to listen to.

    (wojciech kilar's dracula soundtrack comes to mind or maurice Jarre's jacob's ladder soundtrack for example)

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    Quote Originally Posted by display View Post
    fair enough...but like i said above , it's afterall , just a matter of personal taste.
    Still , i had to mention the likes of Eno or boards of canada (as examples) , "just in case" because it seems like this forum is filled with a lot of "music snobs"..

    Some people even say that certain pieces "sound like film music"...(insinuating that it's mediocre)...But here again , there's some original soundtracks which are fantastic to listen to.

    (wojciech kilar's dracula soundtrack comes to mind or maurice Jarre's jacob's ladder soundtrack for example)
    That reminds me of this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argus View Post
    That reminds me of this thread.

    true...

    Notice the guy hasn't posted a lot of comments since he first started this thread. No wonder..Buyt unlike him...i'm not vexed. If someone tells me that the song is "****"...Oh well. We can't all have the same taste in music.

    Still , there's some interesting similitudes between these two threads...

    well , first of all the guy posted his question in the " Classical Music Discussion > Identifying Music " section of the forum.

    I didn't. Mine is part of : " The Movie Corner: Music for Cinema and TV"...I knew i had to post it there in order to avoid comments such as:

    Quote Originally Posted by Polednice View Post
    Well, it's better in the sense that now you know what it is, but that doesn't mean we can answer your question because this is a forum for Classical music, and that is not classical music. It's stock music. It's not art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasa View Post
    Heh. OP's piece is still ****. And random stock music, which I believe isn't this forum's topic.

    So breaking it down:

    1) Instrumental does not mean classical
    2) Art is still an elitist engagement, and there's nothing wrong with that

    But we were both asking a simple question though... The other guy just wanted to know the name of the song. & i just wanted to know if the elfen lied song was inspired or copied from another original composition.

    And yet the only person who contribute anything relevant was this guy:

    Quote Originally Posted by wor033 View Post

    It does sound like Library/Production/Stock music to me, but could have been a modern classical composer.

    This company http://www.unippm.com/ has thousands of library tracks - the search engine is pretty cool in that you can search for keywords like orchestral, tribal, uplifting. (I wouldn't search for 'instrumental' though because there's singing in it). There are some really good pieces in there. Some of the CDs pop up on ebay.

    It's unfornuate it's not on the BBC channel otherwise http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ay/7523384.stm
    might shed some light - that was a great service where you could ask about any piece of music played on sports TV. (But they've given up now !)
    Being a music snob is not necessarily an insult or a bad thing.. And they can criticize all they want...But it would be preferable if they could at least contribute to the topic or simply ignore it. (if you don't know the answer or don't recognize the inspiration of another existing composition why bother ? )...

    In the other guy's thread...Only 1 person tried to give interesting infos..
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    As for anime openings, I love Moete Hero from Captain Tsubasa - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EG70RgOWaI

    Nostalgic, I grew up on this anime. To top that, I'm a japanophile.

    As for other anime I've enjoyed watching - Baccano! It, too, has a great opening (in my opinion, that is): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUM-6dvAvSw

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    Quote Originally Posted by KaerbEmEvig View Post
    As for anime openings, I love Moete Hero from Captain Tsubasa - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EG70RgOWaI

    Nostalgic, I grew up on this anime. To top that, I'm a japanophile.
    ah the memories.. i used to watch it as a kid. Kenshiro (fist of the north star) was my fav though.

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    Maybe I'm spoiled by appreciation and knowledge of the past composers (who have been selected by time and thus represent a very small minority of their day's composers)

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