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Some Great Lesser Known Symphonies You Should Hear

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The great symphonies of Mozart,Haydn,Beethoven,Schubert,Schumann, Mendelssohn,Brahms,Dvorak,Tchaikovsky, etc are staples of the repertoire and have been recorded countless times,but there are some less familiar symphonies people should get to know if they are already familiar with the basics.

For example: The first six symphonies of Dvorak,which are rarely performed ,and are
chock full of meloic invention and radiant lyricism. The New World and nos 7 and 8 are very familiar, but no one who loves them should miss the first six. There are excelent recordings by Rafael Kubelik, Istvan Kertesz,Witold Rowici, Libor Pesek,Vaclav Neumann and others.

Paul Dukas: Symphony in C: There's more to this composer of the Sorcerer's Apprentice than you might realize. His one surviving symphony will make you wonder where it's been all your life.

Mly Balakirev: (1837-1910). Balakirev was one of the most important and influential figures in 19th century Russian music, but for some reason,his music never achieved the fame of the works of Tchaikovsky,Rimsky-Korsakov,Mussorgsky and Borodin.

Try his melodious symphony no 1 in C. It has both the flavor of Russian folk music and the exotic non-russian parts of the former Soviet Union. You'll love it. This composer died 100 years ago. Why isn't his music receiving more attention?

Franz Berwald (1796-1868). Berwald is probably the best known composer of Sweden. His highly original and quirky music has had a fair number of recordings, but you almost never hear his music live. What a pity. It's somewhat like Mendelssohn, but much quirkier and unpredicatble.
His four symphonies have been recorded by Neeme Jarvi, Herbert Blomsted,Okko Kamu, and other conductors. Berwald's music sparkles!

Albert Roussel: This great French composer,who lived from 1869 to 1937, has unfortunately been
overshadowed by his contemporaries Debussy and Ravel. But he was his own man, and wasn't really an impressionist at all, although his music is very colorful.
He wrote four symphonies, of which the best known is the third, but all are very much worth hearing.
His music is much more vigorous, earthy and straightforward than Debussy anbd Ravel's, and full of pounding rhythms and pungent harmonies.
Try the recordings by Stephane Deneve on Naxos, or those of Yan Pacal Tortelier and Neeme Jarvi on Chandos, or Marek Janowski and Charles Dutoit.

Wilhelm Stenhammar: This fine Swedish composer lived from 1871 to 1928 and has sometimes been called the "Swedish Brahms". His music is melodious and beautifully crafted .
His two symphonies are gorgeous. Try the recordings of Neeme Jarvi.

Franz Schmidt: This Austrian composer lived from 1874 to 1939, and wrote music in a ripe late romantic style of his own. He studied with Bruckner as a young man.
His four symphonies are also gorgeous . There is a complete set on Chandos with Jarvi.

This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. There's a lot more to explore.







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Another Dukas work that deserves to be much better-known is La Peri, his last work. It's a wonderful ballet, with a rather impressive (and somewhat well-known in the band world) fanfare at the beginning; but the next 20 minutes are pure heaven.

One of my absolute favorite sets of symphonies is that of Edmund Rubbra. There is something distinctly personal about these symphonies, from form to harmonic language to orchestration. There is a marvelous set of recordings by the late Richard Hickox.
 
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One of my absolute favorite sets of symphonies is that of Edmund Rubbra. There is something distinctly personal about these symphonies, from form to harmonic language to orchestration. There is a marvelous set of recordings by the late Richard Hickox.
Another vote for Rubbra - now almost forgotten despite Hickox & Chandos efforts. Particulary a fan of the teutonic 4th, and his last, the 11th, which is only about 12 mins long IIRC. But it packs a lot in a short spae - and composed as recently as 1979 I think.

There are some recordings other than the Hickox set - Norman Del Mar recorded them for Lyrita in late 1970s and some are available on CD.

Worth checking out his Viola Concerto on Hyperion too.
 
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Me would add:

Szymanowski: symphonies No. 1 and No. 2 (3rd and 4th are... not totally forgotten?). These are works written more in spirit of Richard Strauss by which he was influenced as a younger composer, but in fact they are not similiar to anything else but Szymanowski. He personally prefered No. 2. It's one of few symphonies from that period that include real fugue. I think so. That it's one of few. I may be wrong, but my faith is strong.

Hugo Alfven: No. 1 is good for beginning, but more demanding and experienced listeners should go for more mature ones like 3rd. All of them are solid neo-romantic symphonies closely related to scandinavian style.

Scriabin: Symphony No. 2 is more conventional than two famous Poems but it's hot.

RUED LANGGAARD :eek: perhaps the greatest of all forgotten symphonists from first half of XXth century. Didn't you hear his music? What the hell did you do all your life? Get CHANDOS set or something and don't back until you will embrace his splendor.

Arnold Bax: Good stuff, said enough, yo. I disrecommend set with green cover. It's beautiful cover but the recording sucks. Get the scottish conductor thing, Bryden Thomson was his name I think.
 
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Joachim Raff: His 11 symphonies are the most addicting I heard of any composer. I heard each one about a dozen times and never gets boring. The ones I would recommend would be his 3rd symphony. This one was a colossal success at the time and dubbed a masterpiece. His 5th is even better. The first movement has a theme that will be impossible to forget upon first hearing. His last for he wrote were for the seasons, all of which are very memorable. You can't get enough of this guy.

Franz Lachner: He wrote 8 symphonies, of which only 3 are recorded. His 5th won some prestigious prize at the time. It is lengthy but I keep coming back to it. I would love to hear his 6th symphony since Schumann said it to be "twice as good as his 5th", and believe me, his 5th is excellent.

Anton Rubinstein: This Russian wrote 6 symphonies with his 2nd being most famous. The one i would recommend would be his 4th and 5th.
 
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Franz Lachner: He wrote 8 symphonies, of which only 3 are recorded. His 5th won some prestigious prize at the time. It is lengthy but I keep coming back to it. I would love to hear his 6th symphony since Schumann said it to be "twice as good as his 5th", and believe me, his 5th is excellent.
Franz Lachner - Symphony No. 5 in C minor, Op. 52 "Passionata" (1835)

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For me:

Kalinnikov: Symphonies 1 & 2. Some said he would be the next Tchaikovsky, but he died young. He indeed has an original tone, and distinctively Russian. Not many recordings, mostly by Russian groups.

Glazunov: the 9 Symphonies (or, 8 and a 1/4). Just lovely stuff. Romantic, Russian, sensible, nostalgic, incredibly sincere, highly entertaining scherzos, what else would you want? I suggest the 3rd, 4th and 5th symphonies, which are his best, the 4th is my favorite. Suggested recordings are with Jose Serebrier, Neeme Jarvi, and Evgeny Svetlanov.
 
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This is just the tip of the iceberg folks. There's a lot more to explore.
Nice post. You put a lot of effort into this. I haven't heard the Balakirev or the Berwald symphonies that I recall. I'll have to look them up. The others are all great choices, especially the Roussel symphonies of which I only have No. 2. I have heard No. 3 on the radio however. The Stenhammar No. 2 is great. It is coupled with "Excelsior!" on Naxos which I acquired based on the name alone. I did not regret it.

Of course I have at least a couple to add. Gliere's Symphony No. 3, 'Il'ya Muromets' is full of soaring beautiful melodies that I'm surprised are not more popular. Maybe he is considered too traditional.

Also just today I was listening to Rautavaara's Symphony No. 8, mostly as background music, not really focusing. Movement 4 held me riveted however. About 1/3 of the way through there are soaring sonorities in the violins playing in the upper register a very melodic passage -- except they aren't exactly sonorities at all. More like dissonance. I backed the player up a bit and listened again, trying to determine if these were microtones, that is, if part of the strings were detuned slightly on purpose, or if it is simply a half step dissonance. But not all the strings do this I think - just a few. So it gives it a mysterious detuned atmospheric feeling while remaining gorgeously melodic enough to hum in the shower. The effect is repeated later on, about halfway through the movement, perhaps in the violas this time for an even more profound effect. I've never heard anything like it, and I hope someone knows what is happening in those sections. I hope to spend more time with this piece this weekend.
 
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A composer whose disc I bought in the bargain bin of a classical cd shop here in Sydney was the Israeli Josef Tal. All of his symphonies are on cpo (two seperate discs - I got the first one). His music has elements of atonality, but freely applied, and some of it sounds very "Jewish" - a bit like Ernest Bloch combined with the second Viennese school. His orchestration sounds pretty good as well.

Speaking of orchestration, I really like the symphonies of Lutoslawski. I've got the 2nd and 3rd so far. The 2nd sounds more avant-garde, here his use of chance elements is quite obvious. The 3rd quotes the first movement theme of Beethoven's 5th symphony, but it is "hidden" (for example, Lutoslawski starts off by rapidly firing off Beethoven's 4 note theme, but you have to listen carefully to pick it up).

Another Pole, Penderecki, has also written some fine symphonies. I've got the 1st, 3rd & 8th. The 1st is the most "radical" of the set, it's all about texture and colour. I really like it how he begins (and ends) with the rhythm provided by an orchestral whip. The 3rd does not grab me as much, it is kind of neo Romantic, as is the 8th, which uses vocal soloists and choir, in the tradition of Mahler.

The Mexican Chavez was also a very fine symphonist. His cycle of 6 is definitely among the best produced on the American continent. The 1st, 2nd & 4th are the easiest to get into, they are basically monothematic (the first two are in one movement). The 1st is after the Greek tragedy of Antigone, and is quite dramatic and dark, and uses ancient Greek modes. The 2nd, Sinfonia India, uses traditional Mexican idioms. It reminds me of music in old American cowboy films. The first movement of the 4th, called Sinfonia Romantica, reminds me of the big open air sound of Copland, and the slow movement has a Brucknerian gracefulness. I've basically understood these, but the others (3, 5, 6) are harder to get my head around. He seems to build up themes from virtually nothing, and his counterpoint is pretty complex. I have the LSO conducted by the late Eduardo Mata, which is a good recording, but Chavez's own recordings had this earthiness and grittiness which I liked as well.
 
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Penderecki terrifies me! Therenody for the victims of Hiroshima is good drinking music, though... If you were blackout drunk maybe..
 
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I see Berwald, Stenhammar and Alfvén being mentioned. My favorite Swedish symphonies were written by Lindblad and Peterson-Berger.

A F Lindblad was sometimes called the "Swedish Schubert", due to his many songs, but it actually fits in with his two symphonies as well. Written in 1831 and 1855, they met the same cold reception as Berwald's symphonies, which really says more about the semi-retarded music climate in 19th century Sweden. But the first one was conducted by Mendelssohn in Leipzig and highly appreciated by Schumann. To me, the two symphonies sound like Schubert's 14th and 22nd symphonies, or even like Mozart's 89th and 112th. :)

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Wilhelm Peterson-Berger is known for two things, being a grumpy music critic and writing a popular collection of lyrical piano pieces, called Frösöblomster. He is, together with Alfvén and Stenhammar, part of the national romantic era. Symphonies was not his forte, but he wrote five of them, and I really like his 2nd, "Sunnanfärd", which is a dreamed voyage down to Greece and back.

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I'm learning a lot from this thread of what I should be buying!

I'll put my two cents in for

Georges Onslow: I'm not really a huge fan of his works, but his symphonies are certainly unfairly neglected (which is to say very few people have even heard of him). Usually a pretty decorous composer, but there are moments of Beethovenian fire and impropriety (consider the bumptious scherzo of the 4th).

Kurt Atterberg - Just finished to listening pretty thoroughly to all nine symphonies in the CPO set and give this Swedish uber-late romantic my highest recommendation. There are some brief lapses in taste, but overall this is some of the most accessible, thrilling and giftedly melodious music I've heard in a long time. His slow movements in particular are gorgeous, esp. in Symphonies 2, 3, 4, and 7. The Ninth, which I've been listening repeatedly to in the past couple of days, is a very different animal -- basically a cantata for two soloists and chorus giving a shaved down treatment of the Poetic Edda. If anynone likes the Norns' scene from Gotterdammerung, you'll be watering at the mouth at this.

Bohuslav Martinu: Taking a bit more time to fully absorb his extremely impressive symphonies, but so far it's paid off. The 1st and 2nd are riveting. The first two movements of the 1st are irresistibly propulsive and maniacally inventive in their use of orchestral color.

Antonin Dvorak: OP had it right, his complete symphonies are well worth the investment. The Sixth has recently become my favorite symphony of his after the Ninth - that Furiant is worth the price of admission alone.

Per Norgard: Don't know his complete works, but the Symphony #2 is very unusual, organically constructed from a rather idiosyncratic conception of pitch and rhythm, from what I gauge.

Rued Langgaard: I'm having *such* a hard time not going on amazon and purchasing the complete set of his symphonies. I have recordings of 1-6 and they are like nothing else in my collection. Parts of 2 and 3 are rapturously beautiful, and the entirety of 4 is like some weird dream (just look at some of the sectional headings). I get the sense that ol' Rued approached each symphony as if it were a totally different animal requiring different formal and programmatic conception than the last. I will break down soon and buy the whole set, if only to hear his "Ixion" symphony!
 
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Rued Langgaard: I'm having *such* a hard time not going on amazon and purchasing the complete set of his symphonies.
I downloaded Thomas Dausgaard's full set of Langgaard symphonies from the Dacapo site, and I thoroughly recommend it.

Dunno if anyone else has mentioned it yet, but apropos "unsung" works, Granville Bantock's three symphonies are well worth hearing.
 
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Dvorak's Sixth, in D Major has fast become my favorite of the Dvorak symphonies, even eclipsing No. Eight, which I thought would NEVER happen, LOL! I have heard that Dvorak wrote it as a 'thank you' to Brahms, for being instrumental in getting Dvorak a contract with Brahms' own publisher Simrock.

At any rate, there are some Brahmsian influences in the work, but all in all, it's just pure Dvorak. And as another poster mentioned: the Furiant by itself is worth the price of admission to this delightful work.

Several others: Kalinnikov's First Symphony--very Russian, very fascinating.

Glazunov: Fifth Symphony. It has a very spectacular 'drums and trumpets' finale.

Walton's First Symphony: Not as often heard as it used to be, but a monumental work from one of my very favorite British composers.

Tom
 
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Hi all.

This is a blatant plug for Soviet composer Mikhail Nosyrev. He wrote 4 symphonies between 1965 and 1980 (fine works with pungent traces of moderns like DSCH and Prokofiev as well as more traditional elements) AFTER he spent 10 years in a Gulag on trumped-up charges while he was a young violinist in an ad-hoc Leningrad orchestra during the WWII siege - the sentence was originally death by firing squad. After release in 1953 he spent many years as a provincial conductor and part-time composer in what amounted to internal exile. He was only totally rehabilitated in 1989, 8 years after his death aged 57. He may not have been a composer from the absolute top-drawer but his long ordeal certainly infused his works with Shostakovichian elements of irony and tragedy and deserve to be heard. It was Shostakovich who in 1967 actually endorsed Nosyrev's joining the Soviet Composers Union after he was initially rejected. His son remarked that if DSCH's music represented what it was like to experience the THREAT of arrest then his father's works depicted what it was like AFTER being arrested. These and other works were originally available on 5 Olympia discs - I imagine more of his works would have been recorded had Olympia
 
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I second the nominations for the symphonies of Albert Roussel, Josef Suk and Mily Balakirev

Some more :
Lars Erik Larsson - Symphony # 3 in C minor
Carl Vine - his 6 symphonies are all terrific but my favourite is symphony 4.2 (yes 4.2)
Dag Wiren - Symphony # 4
Zdenek Fibich - Symphony # 3
Pavel Vranicky - Symphony in C minor
 
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This seems like as opportune a place as any to plug a blog my colleague and I just started: Unsung Symphonies: http://unsungsymphonies.blogspot.com/

Inspired in large part by threads like this which show how much repertoire is out there but underexposed, we're trying to give some much needed attention to the world of symphonies outside the main candidates. The focus right now is on 20th century works, but we'll likely expand once (or if!) the blog gets on its feet. Right now we've talked about Walter Piston's 3rd and Per Norgard's 2nd. And we keep the tone light, as you'll probably find out immediately!
 
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I just discovered Roussel and I'm completely stunned that he isn't performed more. His symphonies, especially no. 3, are absolutely fantastic (as are those of one of his more famous students, Martinu).

Other guys whose symphonies should be heard are: Roy Harris (you must check out his 3rd!), Douglas Lilburn, Karol Szymanowksi, William Schuman (not to be confused with Robert), William Grant Still, Alan Hovhaness (Mysterious Mountain is excellent), David Diamond, Arthur Honegger (the opening to his 5th will knock you out of your socks), Randall Thompson (not many recordings of his unjustly neglected 3 symphonies), Eduard Tubin (particularly no. 4), and George Dyson (only did one, but if you like Sibelius then check it out).
 
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Oh Jeff! That Harris symphony is arguably one of the most famous American symphonies, outside of Copland and Ives (maybe). :D

I don't have much to contribute since I don't know many symphonies outside the greater known composers, although I do remember liking Amy Beach's Gaelic symphony when I heard it the first time, but I don't know it well enough.

I just picked up a CD with Ned Rorem's 3 symphonies. I'll let you know how it is after I listen to them.
 
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A few Nordic & Baltic suggestions I made on another forum...

Stenhammar: indeed! No. 2 - outwardly more traditional than either Sibelius or Nielsen, who were his friends, but with boundless depth, dozens of repeated hearings cannot exhaust this score. Wonderful slow part in the footsteps of Beethoven's 7th.

Rosenberg: No. 4 - more of an oratorio but with intensely symphonic writing. Miraculous oboe solo. Written in 1940, a real work of love and light amidst darkness.

Valen: No. 3 - melancholy, solitary music, demands concentration but the rewards are there, fervent music, perfect melodic lines, counterpoint with a beating heart.

Tubin: No. 8 - one feels more of the craftsman here than in Holmboe, and what beautiful craft that is. No. 8 is less striking than No. 6 but reaches the apex of mystery, nightly sparks, formal elegance. Tubin was a master of endings and this has one of the most magical of all.

Holmboe: No. 11 - less spectacular than No. 8 but maybe even more perfect: mesmerizing beauty blending melody, harmony and timbres, smotth and penetrating light, with the author's ever impressive formal mastery.

Pettersson: No. 13 - as another poster said, one could hesitate with Dante-like No. 9, another giant one-movement symphony. I shall go for the 13th because of its wonderful lyrical islands, the vibrant, almost childlike emotion which can also be found in the 2nd violin concerto.

Kenins: No. 6 - also one of the best Canadian symphonies, a pristine example of Kenins's recreation of the old patterns, here a Bach fugue. The veiled, ghostly textures of the central part are heartbreaking.

Nørgård: No. 3 - demonstrates how triads and harmonic infinity series can actually generate the most complex structures. A scintillating work which really makes you "touch" the celestial spheres, marvellous without being simplistic or even comfortable.

Balakauskas: No. 5 - best synthesis to date of his orchestral universe, a sensual blend of the vivid, daring colours of his more modernist years (e.g. Symphony No. 2) and the more expansive, serene lyricism of his more recent works.
 
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I discovered a recording of Gloria Coates's Second and 9th Symphonies while browsing the music library the other day and was very impressed by what I've heard. Her 2nd is subtitled "Illuminatio in Tenebris" and presents some very ominous impressions of the northern lights, like another piece I love Tviett's 4nd Piano Concerto. As for the ninth, aka "Homage to Van Gogh," might I suggest you check out my blog Unsung Symphonies to discover some of its strange secrets. :trp: (tooting own horn)

http://unsungsymphonies.blogspot.com/
 
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You are really missing the world by not exploring American symphonists the like of Schuman, Diamond, Roger Sessions, Piston, Harris. Everything is not just minimalism in the States! Also, though famous composers, their symphonies haven't achieved the same fame (though in the second case that's starting to change): Aaron Copland and Leonard Bernstein. The great conductor's three symphonies are little masterpieces on their own right, specially his second "Age of Anxiety" and his third "Kaddish".
 
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I second Sessions. Music like that is too often restricted to conservative orchestration.

Carl Nielsen wrote some fantastic symphonies. He demonstrated progressive tonality around the same time as Mahler, but his music wasn't known outside Denmark for some time. I read he's on some piece of Danish currency. He outlived Mahler and thus developed influence from the modern innovations hapening at the time. I like his 3rd best, but his 5th is interesting historically as it calls for an improvisatory snare drum foreshadowing aleatory procedures.