It is easy to enjoy this music imo. There is nothing wrong with this music. She is not a victim, she is young, and she has commited no crimes. She don't has to "come back" from something. But development of a composers style is normal.But how will she ever come back from what has been done to her by those who handle her? They have really harmed her and should be ashamed of themselves. But are there really some of our members who actually enjoy (and perhaps are even inspired by) this music?
I don't think I would like a rule. A rule would be good for comparison, but the possibility to create better polls is more value imo.Curious, what kind of rule would you favor?
There is no reason to close the thread. That you perceive some legitimate statements as not "politically correct" in the feminist sense or whatever, is no reason to close the thread.OK someone just compared tonal composers in 2023 to 19th century woman's liberation, close the thread.
So the music of the past is bad? Classical music is bad? Or is it just that todays composers should write in a specific new styles? The constriction of classical music to modern~avant-garde~post modern styles, this is what is really horrible.Those of us who have criticized her music and/or views do so because she is stuck in the past - period.
But is classical and romantic music still alive in the sense that it is still composed? In the case of romantic music, yes, it was always composed until now. In the case of Classical music, I am not so sure if there is a continuity. It was still composed in the 1850s but I don't know about the 1890s for example. And even Deutscher today might be more romantic than Classical.You're all mixed-up. Music of the past is simply music composed in the past. Of course, classical music of the past is still alive because it is played and listened to by 21st century humans.
In an other thread I saw this comment:Hatred is a rather extreme word in analysis of this topic. After ball this is a discussion forum. I find most of the comments entertaining.
Is it hate? Maybe, at least it is not a absurd assumption that it is hate.For me film music is more likely to be classical music when the film's aspirations are closer to art and timelessness. Most film music mentioned in this thread (along with the embarrassing music of Alma Deutscher) does not IMO meet this test.
I think I also don't like the fuss and circus around her. She is not that special. She is a legitimate and promising composer but she has still to prove a lot. I also think that the child prodigy Mozart is a bit overhyped. Do people have a child prodigy fetish, maybe?Hate? You lost me, there. I certainly hate the circus that has grown up around her - including your own contribution to that.
The music is not embarrassing because she is a little girl. It's embarrassing because so much fuss is made over it.
It is not my prefer style of music. It is like Mendelssohn, and I don't care much for Mendelssohn. But I can enjoy her music and I can take it seriously, why not? She should compose late romantic music imo. What is interssting about her is that we don't know yet what she will do in the future. The history of dead composers is already written on the other hand.But the music might be embarrassing for those who take it seriously (I would certainly be embarrassed if I was one of them).
If she ends up as Andre Rieu successor this would be unfortunate.It is also potentially embarrassing for the little girl when she is grown up and looks back at the claims that people were making for her (and with her willing participation). I suppose she has a future as her day's Andre Rieu which to me would be a waste of what is evidently a talent.
Yes, I probably did not get inside the music of Mendelssohn. It was never attrackted by him that much to hear his music really intensive. I think Mendelssohn is better than Deutscher, but it appears to me that she was influenced by him. Her music has a romantic touch it is not really like Mozart imo. But I probably also did not really get inside the music of Deutscher yet. And I think there is more interessting music for me out there.No, her music is nothing like Mendelssohn's. With Mendelssohn's music, there's ingenuity within the compositional writing and there's a fantastical element to his music that I find wholly original. Deutscher sounds more like a Classical Era clone and poorly conceived one at that. It's actually surprising you'd even make this kind of comparison, especially when you make the assertion: "I don't care much for Mendelssohn." If you don't care much for his music, then this means you actually haven't gotten inside of it and you're only listening from the outside, which doesn't actually give you much leverage when you make the claim that Deutscher's music "is like Mendelssohn."
It is impressive that he wrote this with 9. However I do not think about the age of a composer when I listen to a work. So that does not add additional value for me to the piece itself.Mozart and Alma Deutscher, in prepubertal age, were both able to write music like professional adult composers, so I don't see how exactly they would have been overhyped.
I created a web quiz for my family at christmas and one question was: "How old was Mozart when he wrote this symphony?". It was the symphony 5. Possible answers: "9, 14, 16, 18". While listening to the symphony, someone said: "9 is not possible", but it was the correct answer.
As always, the melodies are subjective: you can like or not like them. For me, the melodies of Mozart were already excellent at that age. I think the same about the melodies I hear in this concerto of Deutscher.
I didn't.I wouldn't count "not so good and not so bad" as a positive vote.
Can you elaborate on the idea further? Sounds interessting.Fetish? What are you, a Marxist?
