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Dear Community Members,

Over the past year or two, there have been updates to the environment that have introduced challenges in usability and performance. Efforts to improve the technology, user interface, and site performance has revealed weaknesses in the platform and outdated software this site uses. This has made it increasingly difficult and frustrating to support and upgrade to more modern reliable standards that users deserve. Our advertising experience and certain ad partners have further degraded the functionality of the site. This is not the experience we want for the members of this community.

Members want a fast site that performs well across all devices, to be able to find relevant and interesting content, and easily share through text, images, video, and messaging on a secure platform. Our goal is to provide this ultimate user experience to all members.

We will be implementing a new platform to better meet the needs of this community and allow us to provide support more efficiently. Our focus is to create a sustainable platform that performs well and loads faster on all devices while offering seamless ways to search and connect. Technology is constantly innovating - by creating an environment that we control we can maintain the site with more frequent improvements and maintenance updates.

Although change can be difficult, we are here to support you through the process. We make every effort to review existing settings and make the changes needed so the migration goes smoothly. If you notice something doesn't seem correct once the site goes live, don't panic! We'll have a dedicated person monitoring as the site goes live to answer any questions and provide support through this change.

What's next?

I bet you're thinking, "What does this mean for me and the community?" It does mean change, but it will help solve a large majority of the issues that this site may have been experiencing. We have reviewed reported issues, site statistics, traffic data, and user feedback to help us prioritize the changes and improvements. Uploading an image or video will be easier and streamlined. Ad formatting will change with a new site layout. The site will be more responsive - there is no need to use a mobile skin or special app! Security and user privacy will continue to be a top priority.

When will this be happening? Soon! We recognize the user experience is slow and there are bugs from the outdated software. The sooner we can change that the better we can make the experience for you. You'll start to see activity related to cleanup in preparation for migration very shortly. We will post an announcement to the community prior to starting the actual data migration. Once the migration begins, the site will go into maintenance mode and will be read-only while data is being migrated.

We appreciate each member's contribution to this community and look forward to an improved experience for you all.

- Community Support
 

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I've had some sites and apps update their software, and it ends up incompatible with my ancient OSX 10.9.5, which I cannot update as it may make my DAW software and hardware unusable.

I hope that doesn't happen with this as well.

I recently joined a blog site "Powered by vBulletin® Version 5.6.6" - no problems with THAT. (except for pasting large clipboards into the comments box)
 

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Dear Community Members,

Our advertising experience and certain ad partners have further degraded the functionality of the site. This is not the experience we want for the members of this community.

Our focus is to create a sustainable platform...

Technology is constantly innovating - by creating an environment that we control we can maintain the site with more frequent improvements and maintenance updates.

What's next?

I bet you're thinking, "What does this mean for me and the community?" It does mean change, but it will help solve a large majority of the issues that this site may have been experiencing... Ad formatting will change with a new site layout. The site will be more responsive...

- Community Support
Actually... what I'm thinking is "What does this mean for me and my pocketbook?"

For something to be "sustainable", it requires "sustenance"... "Sustenance" - at least in my experience - requires cash... Again, in my experience, usually lots of cash because good looks only gets you so far... At some time or another, you're actually going to have to pony up the dough - like it or not.

And so...

There will most likely be two separate versions -

"Talk Classical - Basic" - a free ad-supported version...

and

"Talk Classical Premium" - ad-free for "only" €15.00 / 16.50 USD per month...

With "Talk Classical - Basic"

When you enter your username and password to log on, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - before being allowed access to the forum -


When you click on a thread, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - before being allowed to proceed -


You will be able to read the posts within the single page of the thread...

If you move on to a second page, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - first...


If you click on the "Reply" button, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - first...


If you click on the "Like" button...

or insert a video...

or insert a photo of an album cover... you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - first...


Talk Classical Premium... coming soon to a forum near you...

FWIW... I would personally pay €25 / 27.50 USD if one of the benefits of Talk Classical Premium was the ability to delete other member's posts with my own posts being given complete immunity from deletion as retaliation... Just something to think about, VSAdmin...
 

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Actually... what I'm thinking is "What does this mean for me and my pocketbook?"

For something to be "sustainable", it requires "sustenance"... "Sustenance" - at least in my experience - requires cash... Again, in my experience, usually lots of cash because good looks only gets you so far... At some time or another, you're actually going to have to pony up the dough - like it or not.
The site will remain completely free (ad-supported) for members. There will also be a Premium option available (for those who want it) that offers a few extra options for $19.99 USD / year.

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I want to give you an update on the process I use once the site goes live with the new platform.

The night before the site goes live you will see an announcement from me that the site will be going live soon. Once the actual process starts, the site will be in read-only mode while the team does the migration from the old platform to the new one.

Once it goes live you will see an announcement thread created here in this section. All questions and feedback about the new platform should be posted ONLY in that thread.

  • You will see my reply to the thread introducing myself.
  • I will add a new signature and avatar to the admin account.
What should you be doing now before this happens?

  • Make sure your email address is up to date in your account.
  • If you don't remember your password, now would be a good time to reset it. Save the information.
When Will This All Happen?

talkclassical.com is currently scheduled for April 13, 2022. HOWEVER, the schedule is very fluid, so that could change depending on any complications or schedule changes. I am simply giving you a heads up.

As your dedicated support, during the transition, I will be here with you multiple times a day, answering questions and listening to feedback.

My only request is that you remain patient with me while we work through the changes. :)

- Cricket
 

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When you change software . . . If I'm suddenly gone, it will be because my OSX won't be supported. I wouldn't just vanish because of a software change, but it's possible I'll be "disappeared" by the software.

I'm running 10.9.5 with an older Chrome browser (Version 67.0.3396.87 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I also have an older Firefox browser for the many sites that Chrome can no longer handle (78.15.0esr (64-bit)

Both of these browsers are as up-to-date as I can be with my out-of-date OS.
 

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When you change software . . . If I'm suddenly gone, it will be because my OSX won't be supported. I wouldn't just vanish because of a software change, but it's possible I'll be "disappeared" by the software.
I have not seen an issue with this with the exception of some issues with those using an older version of Internet Explorer having a few glitches.

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I have not seen an issue with this with the exception of some issues with those using an older version of Internet Explorer having a few glitches.

- Cricket
I'm running 10.9.5 with an older Chrome browser (Version 67.0.3396.87 (Official Build) (64-bit)

I also have an older Firefox browser for the many sites that Chrome can no longer handle (78.15.0esr (64-bit)

Both of these browsers are as up-to-date as I can be with my out-of-date OS.
 

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I know I keep yapping on about it but will all previous thread data be transferred onto the new system in order for the search facility to work as well as it did before the recent glitches?
 

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I know I keep yapping on about it but will all previous thread data be transferred onto the new system in order for the search facility to work as well as it did before the recent glitches?
All of the thread content will be migrated to the new software. :)

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It all sounds very interesting and quite exciting! Just one daft question about the "premium" subscription though.......

I have never been party to any individuals getting kicked off the site, have been sad to see some get themselves removed (probably because I've never been interesting enough to attract their vitriol??!) and pretty relieved to see others get their marching orders. If somebody has paid for the privilege of using the new site, isn't that going to make it tougher to get rid of them?
 

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It all sounds very interesting and quite exciting! Just one daft question about the "premium" subscription though.......

I have never been party to any individuals getting kicked off the site, have been sad to see some get themselves removed (probably because I've never been interesting enough to attract their vitriol??!) and pretty relieved to see others get their marching orders. If somebody has paid for the privilege of using the new site, isn't that going to make it tougher to get rid of them?
I'd venture to say, "No."

If someone deserves to be kicked off, and they've paid for a "Deluxe" package, they still get kicked off. When you sign up to be a member, be it either "basic" or "Deluxe", you agree to abide by some rather simple rules of civility. If you break the rules, you can be escorted to the door, whether it's a convenience store or a fancy restaurant.
 

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you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - before being allowed access to the forum

When you click on a thread, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - before being allowed to proceed

If you move on to a second page, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - first

If you click on the "Reply" button, you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - first

If you click on the "Like" button or insert a video or insert a photo of an album cover... you'll have to watch this - in its entirety - first.
Whoa, April 1 came early this year!
 

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If someone deserves to be kicked off, and they've paid for a "Deluxe" package, they still get kicked off. When you sign up to be a member, be it either "basic" or "Deluxe", you agree to abide by some rather simple rules of civility. If you break the rules, you can be escorted to the door, whether it's a convenience store or a fancy restaurant.
Unless they're a politician or a Supreme Court justice.
 

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. . . If somebody has paid for the privilege of using the new site, isn't that going to make it tougher to get rid of them?
I'd venture to say, "No."

If someone deserves to be kicked off, and they've paid for a "Deluxe" package, they still get kicked off. When you sign up to be a member, be it either "basic" or "Deluxe", you agree to abide by some rather simple rules of civility. If you break the rules, you can be escorted to the door, whether it's a convenience store or a fancy restaurant.
:tiphat: pianozach! Spot on answer. I myself am a paying member of a number of other sites ... the rules are the same, whether or not you have a paid subscription or not.

Paying for the privilege of posting does not exempt one from getting canned.
 

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So after all is there anything different between basic and the $19.99 premium plans? I am just asking. I don't care if talkclassical.com charges me $19.99 annually. It has always been a hard time for this (almost only) classical music forum so I remain supportive of it anyway.
 

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But hopefully the new website will run much stadier and provide more modern functionalities. I can't remember how often does this website turn down and become unaccessible. Plus, talkclassical.com looks super old-fashioned, like a 2000s website, though appearances/functionalities don't bother most of its users. Anyway, I am glad to see my very first thread on this forum is turning true.
 
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