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I was just thinking about the famous works that are usually referred to by their nicknames, and about the nicknames that don't fit. The two that came to mind were Beethoven's "Moonlight" and "Tempest" sonatas, both nicknames given by publishers/biographers because of myths on what the music is "supposed to be about"

I'm not against nicknames; I think they make it easier to remember the piece, and they also can sum up the mood of the work, or what the listener should think about when listening. Yet there are pieces with nicknames, like the two mentioned, that aren't the best.

So, what are some pieces that you guys think have good nicknames? How about pieces you think have bad nicknames? And for the bad ones, what could be a better nickname? Or maybe, the piece shouldn't even have one at all!
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I was just thinking about the famous works that are usually referred to by their nicknames, and about the nicknames that don't fit. The two that came to mind were Beethoven's "Moonlight" and "Tempest" sonatas, both nicknames given by publishers/biographers because of myths on what the music is "supposed to be about"

I'm not against nicknames; I think they make it easier to remember the piece, and they also can sum up the mood of the work, or what the listener should think about when listening. Yet there are pieces with nicknames, like the two mentioned, that aren't the best.

So, what are some pieces that you guys think have good nicknames? How about pieces you think have bad nicknames? And for the bad ones, what could be a better nickname? Or maybe, the piece shouldn't even have one at all!
I don't think the Moonlight needs a nickname, despite what my (hastily chosen) username might suggest. It's perfectly self-sufficient music.
The Elgar Cello Concerto should be known as the "don't listen or you'll never be able to stop" concerto :lol:
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What I read is that it is not about moonlight, and so properly ought to be called "Moonlight." Can't remember how the name got associated with it though.
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What I read is that it is not about moonlight, and so properly ought to be called "Moonlight." Can't remember how the name got associated with it though.
I don't remember the name of the man, but I believe it was one of Beethoven's biographers who wrote that the sonata was supposed to represent the moonlight over the waves of Lake Zurich. But there's nothing to really back this claim. My opinion is that this was the product of a Romantic audience putting their views into their interpretations of Classical pieces

OR, it could be a publishing gimmick to market absolute music to a Romanic audience, for whom programs were vogue
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When someone says Schubert's Unfinished they usually mean the one in B minor, but Schubert left 6 unfinished symphonies, though that one is probably the best of them, (though the "Last" in D major has an absolutely awesome 2nd movement) and the nickname gives the work a "mysterious" aura the music does have.
Bruckner gave his 1st symphony the nickname "The Saucy maid". I mean, how cool is that?
The quartets Rosamunde and Death and the Maiden were not given those names by the composer, but I like them.
Then there are those nicknames so terrible that no one uses them. Ever heard of Chopin's "Raindrop" Prelude? Yes? And what about the "Thou Art So Like a Flower" Prelude? Or the "Suicide" Prelude? No?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preludes_(Chopin)#Descriptions
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Then there are those nicknames so terrible that no one uses them. Ever heard of Chopin's "Raindrop" Prelude? Yes? And what about the "Thou Art So Like a Flower" Prelude? Or the "Suicide" Prelude? No?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preludes_(Chopin)#Descriptions
Monsieur Cortot needs to calm down :lol:
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Wiki: "The name "Moonlight Sonata" comes from remarks made by the German music critic and poet Ludwig Rellstab. In 1832, five years after Beethoven's death, Rellstab likened the effect of the first movement to that of moonlight shining upon Lake Lucerne. Within ten years, the name "Moonlight Sonata" ("Mondscheinsonate" in German) was being used in German and English publications."

Also: "The first seven songs of Franz Schubert's Schwanengesang have words by Rellstab."
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Nicknames for music: Basically, I'm agin'em.

That said, I have a pal /colleague who knows just about every bit of rep, including the 'lesser and the truly obscure,' from ca. J.S.Bach through to the 20th century (at the least). He refers to any and all of it by opus number, plus title if so assigned by the composer.) As much as I am for that, when we are discussing rep I do not know all the opus no's for Beethoven, Köchel listings of Mozart, etc. I have to ask him for the number (of the sonata, symphony) and / or the key -- this from a supposedly 'literate' well-trained musician :)

So while it is perfectly understandable that "Moonlight" (thunk up by a music publisher after Beethoven's death, and yea, with romantic sensibility notions then well floating about in general) is much easier for most to remember than Piano Sonata No. 14 in C# minor Quasi una fantasia, Op. 27, No. 2, or any part of that as designator -- Opus 27, No. 1 being the other Sonata Quasi una fantasia (and another fine piece) -- I don't think that "Beethoven piano sonata No. 14" is too difficult for anyone, so rather advocate at least that.

The Chopin appellations, the sort of which Chopin is on record as vehemently having no truck with whatsoever, are the height of lesser late-romantic cheese / schmaltz (whatever:) sentiment and I find about the worst (near to egregious) of non-composer designated titles.

Less than the number of digits on one hand are the subtitles Beethoven gave to his 32 piano sonatas, yet we have "Pathetique" (suggested by Luigi's publisher, which Beethoven, in his inimitable manner and with a canny sense of marketing, said when it was suggested, basically, "O.K., why not?") and a number of other sonatas known as "Appassionata," "Moonlight," etc.

... and yes, for trained musicians as well as the lay audience, those nicknames are much easier to remember than the clinical Op. 27, no. 2 in C# minor :)

Where it comes to Schubert, and those works where he quoted / used his own material taken from one of his songs, "Death and the Maiden," and "The Trout Quintet," even if not titles assigned by Schubert, I find not only harmless but the musical reference, recast, as quite acceptable. The song Die Forelle is about a 'happy' trout in its natural habitat that eludes all those fishermen who want that fish as a prize catch. That famous piano quintet quoting the song has the same ebullient and playful feel, so there the title is imo wholly appropriate, and not at all misleading any more than it should be taken completely literally. Ditto for the "Death and the Maiden" quartet.

Whether the nicknames seem appropriate or near to egregious, I would hope that those who consume this music so titled are at least informed enough to know just how many of those nicknames are about as arbitrary and capricious as it gets, that they had been nowhere in -- let alone close to -- the composers' thoughts, and are most often given / assigned by others well after the fact of the music having been written.

As designators they are handy, simple to remember, while having nothing at all to do with what was in the composer's mind while he was writing it, nor what the composer 'wanted the listener to think or feel.' Listeners who are unaware of "Who Titled What" are misled / misdirected as to 'what meaning or emotional import' they should be seeking when listening to any of the rep with these popular nicknames.

Once "who named what" is known, it pretty much does not matter, I suppose, what you call it... like that line in Richard Lester's film, A hard day's night, when a journalist asks The Beatles band member George Harrison, "What do you call that haircut?" and Harrison answers, "Arthur." :)
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If nothing else, nicknames just add one more danged name to the same piece.

What's your favorite Beethoven symphony? I like the Eroica, but my friend prefers #3. His E-flat major symphony is good as well, and then there's his opus 55.
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One nickname cannot be improved: Bruckner symphony 1 "The Saucy Maid".

I wonder if pieces with nicknames don't sometimes get more attention than they deserve. I'm not sure what fuss is about the Kreutzer Sonata (which has nothing to do with anybody named Kreutzer).
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Monsieur Cortot needs to calm down :lol:
In my mode of thinking, deceased is about as calm as it gets.
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To eliminate any trace of unwanted romanticism, I propose names in binary code. For example, "Did you hear Beethoven's 011010011??", "Mozart's later 01100011 is way better than his well known 0110111110". Imagine the program notes:

J.S.Bach:

001100011

001101001

011101010
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There may be more than 512 pieces of classical music, unfortunately for your system.
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All good music should have a nickname. If it's not good enough to earn one, it should simply be eliminated. I mean, who in their right mind wants to listen to something named "Brahms String Quintet No. 2 in G major, Opus 111"? Sir George Grove called this a "repulsive nomenclature", and it is best reserved for repulsive music.

Scuse me while I spin up Haydn's "Razor" quartet'...
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There may be more than 512 pieces of classical music, unfortunately for your system.
Yeah... but... who listens to those other pieces anyway? :)
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To eliminate any trace of unwanted romanticism, I propose names in binary code. For example, "Did you hear Beethoven's 011010011??", "Mozart's later 01100011 is way better than his well known 0110111110". Imagine the program notes:

J.S.Bach:

001100011

001101001

011101010
I think opus numbers are already quite good for this...
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I think opus numbers are already quite good for this...
So assign every composer a prime number and every work can by uniquely identified by multiplying the composer number by the opus number. Spell it in binary if you want. Sorted.

Edit: that won't work at all. I'm an idiot.
So assign every composer a prime number and every work can by uniquely identified by multiplying the composer number by the opus number. Spell it in binary if you want. Sorted.

Edit: that won't work at all. I'm an idiot.
One could assign every composer a letter code though. Because names are far too long.
If nothing else, nicknames just add one more danged name to the same piece.

What's your favorite Beethoven symphony? I like the Eroica, but my friend prefers #3. His E-flat major symphony is good as well, and then there's his opus 55.
I prefer the Third, myself. Also, that one that Beethoven originally dedicated to Napoleon but later changed his mind about is pretty good, too.
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I would change the "Moonlight" Sonata to the "Somnambulant" Sonata.

I would change Schubert Symphony No. 9 ("Great") to Schubert Symphony No. 9 ("Interminable")

I would change the Mozart "Jupiter" Symphony to "Great Fugue".

In keeping with modern performance practice, I would change Beethoven's "Pastoral" Symphony to "Quick Walk in the Park".

I would change Ives "Concord" Sonata to Ives "Kaleidoscope" Sonata.

Since Haydn has musical surprises throughout his symphonies, I would simply remove the unnecessary name, "Surprise" from his Symphony No. 94.
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