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"A woman is only a woman, but a good cigar is a smoke." -Anton Webern (last words)
That quotation definitely rings a Bell - didn't know Webern was a Kipling fan. Interesting that Peter Greenaway who wrote the libretti Death of a Composer about Webern and others also made "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover". What did he know?
 
Πᾶν μοι συναρμόζει ὃ σοὶ εὐάρμοστόν ἐστιν, ὦ κόσμε· οὐδέν μοι πρόωρον οὐδὲ ὄψιμον ὃ σοὶ εὔκαιρον. πᾶν μοι καρπὸς ὃ φέρουσιν αἱ σαὶ ὧραι, ὦ φύσις· ἐκ σοῦ πάντα, ἐν σοὶ πάντα, εἰς σὲ πάντα. ἐκεῖνος μέν φησιν·
 
Discussion starter · #165 · (Edited)
Πᾶν μοι συναρμόζει ὃ σοὶ εὐάρμοστόν ἐστιν, ὦ κόσμε· οὐδέν μοι πρόωρον οὐδὲ ὄψιμον ὃ σοὶ εὔκαιρον. πᾶν μοι καρπὸς ὃ φέρουσιν αἱ σαὶ ὧραι, ὦ φύσις· ἐκ σοῦ πάντα, ἐν σοὶ πάντα, εἰς σὲ πάντα. ἐκεῖνος μέν φησιν·
I can translate that! "PAN me the mounts thee evarmoston Estin, my world; nothing to me premature nor late than thee opportunity. everything they bring me fruit Fruit Ai Sai nice, my nature · of thee always in thee forever, thee forever. Now they do it fisin." There. :lol:
 
Πᾶν μοι συναρμόζει ὃ σοὶ εὐάρμοστόν ἐστιν, ὦ κόσμε· οὐδέν μοι πρόωρον οὐδὲ ὄψιμον ὃ σοὶ εὔκαιρον. πᾶν μοι καρπὸς ὃ φέρουσιν αἱ σαὶ ὧραι, ὦ φύσις· ἐκ σοῦ πάντα, ἐν σοὶ πάντα, εἰς σὲ πάντα. ἐκεῖνος μέν φησιν·
I can translate that! "PAN me the mounts thee evarmoston Estin, my world; nothing to me premature nor late than thee opportunity. everything they bring me fruit Fruit Ai Sai nice, my nature · of thee always in thee forever, thee forever. Now they do it fisin;" There. :lol:
Just goes to show you that Google translate can translate Marcus Aurelius into gibberish.

A slightly better translation might be :

Everything harmonizes with me, which is harmonious to thee, O Universe. Nothing for me is too early nor too late, which is in due time for thee. Everything is fruit to me which thy seasons bring, O Nature: from thee are all things, in thee are all things, to thee all things return. (Book IV 23)

See also Wiki.
 
Celibidache (to orchestra members): "No, no, you're just playing notes! Where's the human being?"
Furtwängler (to Swedish orchestra, after they flawlessly played a passage on their own accord because Furtwänglers approach was needlessly complicated to them): "It's well played, but isn't it so horribly... direct?"

Ralph Vaughan Williams (responding to theories about the supposedly programmatic nature of his sixth symphony): "It never seems to occur to people that a man might just want to write a piece of music." (Unconfirmed)

From Shaw:
"Do not be alarmed, I am not going to perpetrate an 'analysis.' Those vivid emotions which the public derives from descriptions of 'postludes brought to a close on the pedal of A, the cadence being retarded by four chords forming an arpeggio of a diminished seventh, each grade serving as a tonic for a perfect chord,' must be sought elsewhere than in these columns. It is perhaps natural that gentlemen who are incapable of criticism should fall back on parsing; but, for my own part, I find it better to hold my tongue when I have nothing to say."

"A hundred years ago a crusty old bachelor of fifty-seven, so deaf that he could not hear his own music played by a full orchestra, yet still able to hear thunder, shook his fist at the roaring heavens for the last time, and died as he had lived, challenging God and defying the universe."

"It was this turbulence, this deliberate disorder, this reckless and triumphant mockery of conventional manners, that set Beethoven apart from the musical geniuses of the ceremonious seventeenth and eighteenth centuries. He was a giant wave in that storm of the human spirit which produced the French Revolution. He called no man master."

"What we want is not music for the people, but bread for the people, rest for the people, immunity from robbery and scorn for the people, hope for them, enjoyment, equal respect and consideration, life and aspiration, instead of drudgery and despair. When we get that I imagine the people will make tolerable music from themselves, even if all Beethoven's scores perish in the interim."

From Mencken:
"It was simply impossible for him [Brahms], at least after he had learned his trade, to be obvious or banal. He could not write even the baldest tune without getting into it something of his own high dignity and profound seriousness; he could not play with that tune, however light his mood, without putting an austere and noble stateliness into it. Hearing Brahms, one never gets any sense of being entertained by a clever mountebank. ... In all his music done after his beard had sprouted, there is not the slightest sing of bewilderment and confusion, of trial and error, of uncertainty and irresolution. He knew precisely what he wanted to say, and he said it colossally."

"Haydn was undeniably a genius of the first water, and, after Mozart's death, had no apparent reason to fear a rival. If he did not actually create the symphony as we know it to-day, then he at least enriched the form with its first genuine masterpieces - and not with a scant few, but literally with dozens. Tunes of the utmost loveliness gushed from him like oil from a well. More, he knew how to manage them; he was a master of musical architectonics. If his music is sniffed at to-day, then it is only by fools; there are at least six of his symphonies that are each worth all the cacophony hatched by a whole herd of Schönbergs and Eric Saties, with a couple of Korngolds thrown into flavor the pot." (Poor Mencken never did like the most progressive composers of his time.)

"It is almost a literal fact that there is not a trace of cheapness in the whole body of his [Beethoven's] music. He is never sweet and romantic; he never sheds conventional tears; he never strikes orthodox attitudes. In his lighter moods there is the immense and inescapable dignity of the ancient Hebrew prophets. He concerns himself, not with the puerile agonies of love, but with the eternal tragedy of man."

"My lack of sound musical instruction was really the great deprivation of my life. When I think of anything properly describable as a beautiful idea, it is always in the form of music. I have written and printed probably 10,000,000 words in English, and continue to this day to pour out more and more. But all the same I shall die an inarticulate man, for my best ideas beset me in a language I know only vaguely and speak only like a child."

From John F Runciman:
"When we talk of classical music we mean Haydn's. He created the thing, and it ended with him. He has sanity lucidity, pointedness, sometimes epigrammatic piquancy of expression, dignity without pompousness or grandiloquence, feeling without hysteria. His variety seems endless, his energy never flags, and often he has more than a touch of the divine quality. He did not attempt to compose tragedies of life, for his temperament forbade it; but in his finest music he is never commonplace, because he had a strongly marked temperament and was poetically inspired. By dint of a sincerity that was perfect he made music which, though it is shaped in outline by the classical spirit, will be for ever interesting. To listen to him immediately after Tschaikowsky is hard, sometimes impossible, yet to me it seems anything but impossible that our descendants will be listening to him when students are turning to the biographical dictionaries to find out who Tschaikowsky was. A century ago Haydn was as fresh and novel as Tschaikowsky is now, and as overwhelming a personality in the world of music as the mighty Wagner. But time equalizes and evens things, and in another hundred years all that is merely up-to-date in musical speech and phraseology will have lost its flavour and seductiveness; but the voice that is sincere, whether the word is spoken to-day or was spoken a century ago, will sound as clear as ever, and the one voice shall not be clearer nor more convincing than the other."

To end in the key of C major with a comedic touch:

Richard Strauss as a young man: "We can be certain that in ten years nobody will know who Richard Wagner is."

:lol:
 
"The bassoon is one of my favorite instruments. It has a medieval aroma, like the days when everything used to sound like that. Some people crave baseball...I find this unfathomable, but I can easily understand why a person could get excited about playing the bassoon."
- Frank Zappa

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Discussion starter · #174 ·
"You cannot make art out of fear and suspicion; you can make it only out of affirmative beliefs. This sense of affirmation can be had only in part from one's inner being; for the rest it must be continually reactivated by a creative and yea-saying atmosphere in the life about one. The artist should feel himself affirmed and buoyed up by his community. In other words, art and the life of art must mean something, in the deepest sense, to the everyday citizen."

--Aaron Copland
 
I have some romantic ones too - heavily romanticized, so be warned! Two from Jean Paul (Richter)'s novel Titan, based on which Mahler initially titled his first symphony:

"Ah, thou dear one! what is more painfully and longer sought, then, than a heart? When man stands before the sea and on mountains, and before pyramids and ruins, and in the presence of misfortune, and feels himself exalted, then does he stretch out his arms after the great Friendship. And when music, and moonlight, and spring and spring tears softly move him, then his heart dissolves, and he wants Love. And he who has never sought either is a thousand times poorer than he who has lost both."

"But to me, when I hear music, it is as if I heard a loud past or a loud future. Music has something holy; unlike the other arts, it cannot paint anything but what is good." (He added as a note: "This proposition, that pure music, without text, cannot represent anything immoral, deserves to be more investigated and developed by me.")

And from De Quincey:

"I am satisfied that music involves a far greater mystery than we are aware of. It is that universal language which binds together all creatures, and binds them by a profounder part of their nature than anything merely intellectual ever could."

And again, from a character in a dialogue written by him:
"Somebody once said, that to a deaf person who cannot hear the music, a set of dancers must look like so many patients for a mad-house; but, in my opinion, this dreadful music itself, this twirling and whirling and pirouetting of half a dozen notes, each treading on its own heels, in those accursed tunes which ram themselves into our memories, yea, I might say, mix themselves up with our very blood, so that one cannot get rid of their taint for many a miserable day after--this to me is the very trance of madness; and if I could ever bring myself to think dancing endurable, it must be dancing to the tune of silence."

Then, from Nietzche's Human, All-Too-Human, a few reflections on composers and music.

"In so far as we do not hear Bach's music as perfect and experienced in connoisseurs of counterpoint and al the varieties of the fugal style (and accordingly must dispense with real artistic enjoyment), we shall feel in listening to his music - in Goethe's magnificent phrase - as if 'we were present at God's creation of the world.' In other words, we feel here that something great is in the making but not yet made - our mighty modern music, which by conquering nationalities, the Church, and counterpoint, has conquered the world. In Bach there is still too much crude Christianity, crude Germanism, crude scholasticism. He stands on the threshold of modern European music, but turns from thence to look at the middle ages."

"Händel, who in the invention of his music was bold, original, truthful, powerful, inclined to and akin to all the heroism of which a nation is capable, often proved stiff, cold, na even weary of himself in composition. He applied a few well-tried methods of execution, wrote copiously and quickly, and was glad when he was finished - but that joy was not the joy of God and other creators in the eventide of their working day."

"So far as genius can exist in a man who is merely good, Haydn had genius. He went just as far as the limit which morality sets to intellect, and only wrote that has 'no past'."

"Beethoven's music often appears like a deeply emotional meditation on unexpectedly hearing once more a piece long thought to be forgotten, 'Tonal Innocence': it is music about music. In the song of the beggar and the child in the street, in the monotonous airs of vagrant Italians, in the dance of the village inn or in carnival nights he discovers his melodies. He stores them together like a bee, snatching here and there some notes or a short phrase. To him these are hallowed memories of the 'better world', likes the ideas of Plato. Mozart stands in quite a different relation to his melodies. He finds his inspiration not in hearing music but in gazing at life, at the most stirring life of southern lands. He was always dreaming of Italy, when he was not there."

"Franz Schubert, inferior as an artist to the other great musicians, had nevertheless the largest share of inherited musical wealth. He spent it with a free hand and a kind heart, so that for a few centuries musicians will continue to nibble at his ideas and inspirations. In his works we find a store of unused inventions; the greatness of others will lie in making use of those inventions. If Beethoven may be called the ideal listener for a troubadour, Schubert has a right to be called the ideal troubadour."

"Felix Mendelssohn's music is the music of the good taste that enjoys all the tood things that have ever existed. It always points behind. How could it have much 'in front', much of a future? - But did he want it to have a future? He possessed a virture rare among artists, that of gratitude without arrière-pensée. This virtue, too, always points behind."

"[The] stripling was completely translated into song and melody by Robert Schumann, the eternal youth, so long as he felt himself in full possession of his powers. There are indeed moments when his music reminds one of the enteral 'old maid'."

"The music of today. This ultra-modern music, with its strong lungs and weak nerves, is frightened above all things of itself."

"As friends of music. Ultimately we are and remain good friends with music, as we are with the light of the moon. Neither, after all, tries to supplant the sun: they only want to illumine our nights to the best of their powers. Yet we may jest and laugh at them, may we not? Just a little, at least, from time to time? At the man in the moon, at the woman in music?"

And from Theodor Adorno's essays:

"The majority of the late works of significant artists does not resemble the kind one finds in fruit. They are, for the most part, not round, but furrowed, even ravaged. Devoid of sweetness, bitter and spiny, they do not surrender themselves to mere delectation. They lack all the harmony that the classicist aesthetic is in the habit of demanding from works of art, and they show more traces of history than of growth. The usual view explains this with the argument that they are products of an uninhibited subjectivity, or, better yet, 'personality,' which breaks through the envelope of form to better express itself, transforming harmony into the dissonance of its suffering, and disdaining sensual charms with the sovereign self-assurance of the spirit liberated." (From an essay on Beethoven's late works.)

"The [Mahlerian] march is meant for the collective and for moving in solidarity - but heard from the perspective of the individual. It does not give orders so much as it carries you along; and if it carries along even the meanest things and those that are the most mutilated, it does not itself mutilate. The individual who is carried along is not eliminated. The community of lovers is made available to him. The human being survives in the march on the strength of the variant, the determining symmetry - this is what makes it so completely impossible to misuse Mahler's music. The men who otherwise were simply forced to die when they fell out of linfe, the line above Strasbourg's trenches; the nighttime sentry, the [soldier] who is laid to rest in the beauty of the cornets, and the poor little drummer boy - Mahler forms them out of freedom. He promises victory to the losers. All his symphonic music is a reveille. Its hero is the deserter."

"The difficulties that Schoenberg had to endure can scarcely be exaggerated. Once again as happened repeatedly in his life, he had to forget what he knew in order to be able to do it truthfully." (On Schoenberg first starting to write using the twelve-tone technique.)
 
To the common criticism that Heifetz' playing was "cold," violinist Ida Haendel stated emphatically, "His playing was so passionate; I'm just astounded that people don't realize it. They thought that he was cold -- and it was fire! Absolute fire!"

Violinist Ivry Gitlis also dismissed the charge that Heifetz was cold. "Sure, his face was stoic, but if that bothers you, close your eyes, for God's sake!"
 
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