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Composers and their Magnum Opus

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#1 ·
Question

In your opinion...


What do you think is the one work that represents the culmination of artistic achievement and highest musical artistry of a composer/s?


:)

Here's my mine:

Schubert > Winterriese (song), the greatest song cycle ever written. Winterriese is the pinnacle of Lieder and has never been surpassed.

Beethoven> String Quartet no. 14 in C sharp Minor (chamber), after hearing the work, Schubert said ''Who else can write after him[/b]

Mahler > Symphony no. 5 (orchestral)

Bach > The Art of Fugue .

Mozart > Don Giovanni (opera)

Wagner > Ring Cycle (opera)

I'm not familiar with moderm music, and I hope some of our knowledgable members would share what they think is the magnum opus of modern composers.

What's yours? :D
 
#2 ·
Winterreise (not riese) is a good choice for Schubert, although the string quintet and the 8th symphony are strong contenders as well.

For Beethoven, I would pick the Pastoral symphony.

Mozart: Clarinet concerto.
Bach: St Matthew Passion.
Wagner: the Ring indeed.

The one I am most not in agreement with is Mahler. I would rate Das Lied von der Erde highest, and prefer Kindertotenlieder, Rueckertlieder, and symphonies 2, 4, 6, 9 and 10 higher than the 5th.
 
#3 · (Edited)
I have slightly re-interpreted the question to provide a combination of my favourite and what I consider to be a good defining work for each of my favourite 15 composers.

I don't pretend that any of these works is necessarily the pinnacle of each composer's achievements. Some of them probably aren't by a long way, but they are the works that I enjoy most of all and which I consider to be a defining work of each composer, i.e. a work which I doubt could be confused with that of another composer.

Roughly in order they are:
1 Schubert: String Quintet
2 Mozart: Serenade No 10 "Gran Partita"
3 Beethoven: Symphony No 6 Pastoral
4 Schumann: Violin Concerto
5 Brahms: Piano Quintet
6 Handel: Julius Caesar
7 Bach: Magnificat
8 Montedverdi: Vespers 1610
9 Haydn: Nelson Mass
10 Mendelssohn: Reformation Symphony
11 Liszt: Sonata in B Minor
12 Tchaikovsky: S6 Pathetique
13 Chopin: Ballades
14 Vivaldi: Gloria
15 Purcell: Dido & Aeneas
 
#5 · (Edited)
I think it's the B Minor Sonata. Obviously i'm biased, but I think it's the greatest solo piano work ever, period.

Leslie Howard thinks that the mighty oratorio Christus is Liszt's magnum opus. I think it is a magnificent work, but i'm going to go with the sonata. I think the three main contenders are the two aforementioned and the Faust Symphony...I would say the Dante Symphony is up there too but hardly anyone agrees with me.

A couple of my other favourite composers...
Chopin: Ballade No. 4.
Rachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No. 3.
 
#6 · (Edited)
Agreeing with others:

Bach: Mass in B minor (runner-up: A Musical Offering)
Liszt: Sonata in B minor
Mozart: Don Giovanni (runner-up: The Magic Flute)
Schubert: String Quintet
Brahms: A German Requiem (runner-up: Symphony #4)

A few suggestions of my own:

Beethoven: Symphony #9
Mendelssohn: Octet
Verdi: Otello
Tchaikovsky: Piano Concerto #1
Bruch: Violin Concerto #1
Debussy: La Mer
Ravel: Daphnis et Chloe
Stravinsky: The Rite of Spring
Shostakovich: String Quartet #8 (not anticipating agreement, but that's my choice)

My choice for Schumann might be the Fantasie.
 
#7 ·
Another:

Chopin > 24 Preludes

Liszt > Sonata in B minor

Tchaikovsky > Swan Lake

Ravel > Bolero

Schumann > Dichterliebe

Dvorak> Cello Concerto

Brahms > Clarinet Quintet

Elgar > Cello Concerto

Haydn > The Creation
 
#8 · (Edited)
I think very few composers had true, single magnum opuses. Berlioz/Les Troyens and Wagner/Ring are almost certainly. Mahler/Symphony #8, Beethoven/Missa Solemnis and Haydn/Creation are good candidates. Also Messiaen/Des Canyons aux etoiles...

Remember that 'magnum opus' carries requirements of size, and a magnum opus need not necessarily be the best work the composer produced.
 
#13 · (Edited)
For Ravel, the strongest contenders are Daphnis et Chloe and Gaspard de la nuit. They represent the pinnacles of his orchestral and pianistic outputs, respectively.

From the Medtner I have listened to, I might have to agree with you clavi. Night Wind is by far the most complex and ambitious of his sonatas. Though if one wanted to pick a more mature work, the 2nd and 3rd piano concertos and the op. 53 sonatas (Romantica and Minacciosa) are strong contenders. Personally, I might pick the posth. Piano Quintet, finished two years before his death and not published until afterwards.

Dichterliebe, Fantasy in C, etc. are masterpieces of the highest order, but for me, there really isn't a dispute about what Schumann's magnum opus is. It is a mid-career work, the Piano Concerto in a, op. 54. In the "pick your top 5 schumann" thread, this work appeared on every single list and at the top of exactly half of the lists. It's the closest Schumann ever got to composing a "warhorse". On the other hand, Schumann himself might have picked the extremely obscure choral work Das Paradies und die Peri, which I myself am completely enamored with (listen to that ending!). But the strongest contenders besides the three mentioned above are probably Frauenliebe und -leben, the op. 39 Liederkreis, Kreisleriana, Davidsbundlertanze, Carnaval, and the groundbreaking quintet and quartet for piano.

Some composers intentionally worked towards a "magnum opus". Off the top of my head: Stockhausen's Licht, Ligeti's Etudes, Wagner's Ring, Berlioz's Les Troyens, and Prokofiev's War and Peace (though I would disagree that this is his greatest work). Others composed works that in some way or another defined their entire career - for example Stravinsky's Rite, Liszt's Sonata in B minor, Messiaen's Quartet for the End of Time, Janacek's Mass, Pachelbel's Magnificat-Fugues, Walton's Belshazzar's Feast, Alkan's minor key etudes, and Verdi's Otello.

Some other choices, conventional or unconventional...

For Brahms, I yield to Polednice. :p

For Handel, I would not pick the Messiah, but rather the opera Giulio Cesare.

For Bach, there are four: the Art of the Fugue, Mass in B minor, St. Matthew Passion, and the Well-Tempered Clavier.

For Beethoven, there is a similar situation: the late piano sonatas, Missa Solemnis, 9th symphony, and 14th string quartet all have a good case going for them.

For Mozart, I may pick Le Nozze di Figaro over Don Giovanni, though both are strong contenders. He wrote a million other good works too - so take your pick: Requiem, Mass in C minor, late piano concerti, etc. I still think it should be an opera though, because that was the realm in which he dominated the most (well, besides Wagner).

For Prokofiev, I would disagree with the composer's pick of War and Peace and choose instead the three War Sonatas. Piano Concerto #2 and #3 are perhaps his best works, but they are a little too early in his career to be "magnum opuses". Also, Romeo and Juliet makes a good case for itself.

For Schubert, I agree with the three that Art Rock named.

For Richard Strauss, any of the three greatest operas would work. I would probably pick Der Rosenkavalier because of its popularity. However, the Four Last Songs might be even better picks, due to their sheer beauty and the place they held in Strauss's life. One can't ignore his orchestral works, of course, and gigantic masterpieces like Eine Alpensinfonie, Ein Heldenleben, and Tod und Verklarung certainly make good cases for themselves.

Of Bartok's many masterpieces, I might pick the Music for Strings, Percussion, and Celesta.

Bruckner's and Mahler's 9th symphonies are in many ways, culminating works of their entire symphonic careers.

Chopin's Ballades make a good case for themselves, though as a set, his op. 28 Preludes, may have to grab the spot.

Villa-Lobos's Choros and Bachianas Brasileiras are logical choices, but the oddball piano masterpiece Rudepoema seems to me equally ambitious and groundbreaking.

For Domenico Scarlatti, pick one of the 555 sonatas at random. It's too hard to choose. But if forced, I might pick the e minor sonata, K. 402, which Weston introduced me to.
 
#19 ·
Dvorak - Cello Concerto

Copland - Appalachian Spring

Beethoven - Cases could be made for the 9th Symphony, Missa, SQ 14 and Hammerklavier Sonata (my personal choice would be the 9th)

Mozart - cases could be made for Figaro, Don Giovanni, Clarinet Concerto, and Requiem (my personal choice is Figaro)

Rossini - Barber of Seville

Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto

Tchaikovsky - Violin Concerto

Stravinsky - ROS

Holst - Planets

Haydn - Creation

Debussy - La Mer

Brahms - cases could be made for the clarinet quintet, German Requiem, Symphony 4, Piano Concerto 2, and Violin Concerto (my personal choice is Symphony 4)

Shostakovich - cases could be made for Symphony 5 or 10 and SQ 8 (my personal choice is Symphony 5)

Bach - so many to choose from but I'll go with the B Minor Mass
 
#21 ·
Bartok-Music For Strings, Percussion, Celesta
Penderecki-St Luke Passion
Lutoslawski-Symphony No.3
Alban Berg-Lulu
Ives-Symphony No.4
Ligeti-Violin Concerto
 
#22 ·
Bach - Goldberg Variations. Close call over WTC (too broad in scope) and Mass in b (also too hodgepodge)
Mozart - Marriage of Figaro. Close call over Don Giovanni (most of Mozart isn't actually devilish) and Clarinet Concerto
Beethoven - Symphony 9. Not a close call.
Brahms - Clarinet Quintet. Close call over Symphony 4, chamber music seems more fundamental here.
Schubert - Quintet in C
Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto in e
Tchaikovsky - Symphony 6
Sibelius - Symphony 7? (A bit of a trap to keep picking composers final symphonies)
Prokofiev - Piano Sonata 8
Shostakovich - Violin Concerto 1. Personal preference there. Quartet 8 would follow, though it feels wrong to dodge the symphonies.
 
#30 ·
Bach - Matthew Passion

Brahms - Piano Concerto 2

Mahler - 9

Beethoven - Symphony 5

Tchaikovsky - Symphony 6

Schubert - D956

Mozart - Piano Concerto 23

Dvorak - Symphony 9

Elgar - Cello Concerto

Ravel - Daphnis

Debussy - Images for Piano

Schumann - Piano Concerto

Sibelius - 7

Bruckner - 7

Handel - Messiah

Haydn - Creation

Wagner - Tristan

Stravinsky - Le Sacre du Printemps

Bartok - Violin Concerto 2

Mendelssohn - Octet

Shostakovich - Symphony 5

Prokofiev - Symphony 5

Borodin - String Quartet 2

Verdi - Requiem

Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhib

Schoenberg - Gurrelieder

Hindemith - Mathis der Maler

Liszt - Sonata in b

Chopin - Ballade 4

Puccini - La boheme

Berlioz - Fantastique

Saint-Saens - Symphony 3

Barber - Violin Concerto

Faure - Requiem

Rachmaninov - Piano Concerto 2

Copland - Appalachian Spring

Ligeti - Etudes for Piano

Rameau - Suite in a

Strauss - Don quixote
 
#31 ·
Mahler's 8 is for me far more 'Magnum' than 'Optimum' - a grand work indeed but not what I'd call a masterpiece.
 
#35 ·
Bach - Goldberg variations, mass in B minor and the well tempered keyboard.
Beethoven - Symphonies Nos 3 & 9, string quartet No. 13 and the late piano sonatas
Brahms - Symphony No. 4 and piano concerto No. 2
Chopin - Piano concerto No. 1 and nocturnes Op. 27
Dvorak - Cello concerto & symphony No. 9
Grieg - Piano concerto and peer gynt suite
Liszt - Piano sonata and piano concerto No. 2
Mendelssohn - Violin concerto and symphony No. 4
Mozart - Symphony No. 40 and piano concerto No. 20
Rachmaninoff - Piano concertos Nos 2 & 3
Saint-Saens - Piano concerto Nos 2 & 5 and symphony No. 3
Schubert - Piano sonata No. 21 and wanderer fantasy
Schumann - fantaisie Op. 17 and piano concerto
Tchaikovsky - Piano concerto No. 1 and symphony No. 6
 
#36 ·
My list agrees with a lot of what other's said

Bach
Beethoven - Symphony 9
Brahms - German Requiem
Bruckner - Symphony 9
Busoni - Fantasia Contrappuntistica
Chopin - The Ballades
Liszt - Sonata in B minor
Mahler - Symphony 5
Mendelssohn - Symphony 5
Mozart - Symphony 41
Prokofiev - Romeo and Juliet
Rachmaninov - All Night Vigil
Ravel - Daphnis et Chloe
Schubert - Winterreise
Scriabin - Sonata 5
R.Strauss - Alpine Symphony (probably a stretch)
Stravinsky - Rite of Spring
and Wagner - The Ring