[ewilkros]

We seem to be slipping over into discussing songs in addition to operatic music (so long as they're sung by people who also sing opera?), and Huzzah say I. Is it time to amalgamate with the Vocal forum? Or at least be given official dispensation to keep on where we're headed?

 

[Seattleoperafan]

We seem to be slipping over into discussing songs in addition to operatic music (so long as they're sung by people who also sing opera?), and Huzzah say I. Is it time to amalgamate with the Vocal forum? Or at least be given official dispensation to keep on where we're headed?

I would suspect that a good deal of what you guys discuss is choral music which we never discuss nor does there appear to be any interest. I introduce songs into mezzo contests and sometimes for the men as there are so many fewer arias for lower voices to choose from.

 

[Tsaraslondon]

We seem to be slipping over into discussing songs in addition to operatic music (so long as they're sung by people who also sing opera?), and Huzzah say I. Is it time to amalgamate with the Vocal forum? Or at least be given official dispensation to keep on where we're headed?

I agree with you. The vocal forum gets so little traffic that merging with the opera forum might give it a bit of a boost. I'm a member of another forum that groups all vocal, choral and opera posts together and it works well that way, even if the majority of posts are about opera.

 

[ewilkros]

I agree with you. The vocal forum gets so little traffic that merging with the opera forum might give it a bit of a boost. I'm a member of another forum that groups all vocal, choral and opera posts together and it works well that way, even if the majority of posts are about opera.

Yes - I noticed that the Vocal Music Forum gets posts separated in time by days, not minutes like here, and that the most recent post in the thread at the bottom of their Page 1 is over a year old. A substantial part of what's posted there is about, for instance, Nuits d'été, Lied von der Erde, Four Last Songs, Lieder, etc., in posts that might have been of interest here. But mainly I wanted us to have the freedom to post about songs and solo-orchestral music without having our hands slapped. The songs of Strauss, Rachmaninov, and that new guy Sibelius should be worth looking into whether their composers are on the operatic A-List or not. And if some choral music is encountered along the way, hey: new horizons.

 

[BBSVK]

Is it time to amalgamate with the Vocal forum? Or at least be given official dispensation to keep on where we're headed?

It was discussed before, somewhere in the contest on Frühling by Strauss, probably the round with Arroyo. The admin was OK with having song contests here in the opera forum.

I have nothing against merging with the vocal forum. I just don't want to go check vocal forum if any contests are there. My google already remembers I visit opera forum and I want it to stay that way.

 

[Bulldog]

An alternative would be to lump all vocal music into a vocal music forum. I can't think of a good reason to give precedence to opera over lieder and choral music.

 

[ewilkros]

An alternative would be to lump all vocal music into a vocal music forum. I can't think of a good reason to give precedence to opera over lieder and choral music.

What I was asking for.

 

[BBSVK]

An alternative would be to lump all vocal music into a vocal music forum. I can't think of a good reason to give precedence to opera over lieder and choral music.

It is inconvenient for me, I don't want it and I am not alone.

Edit: OK, I am not sure about what you are suggesting.

 

[Bulldog]

It is inconvenient for me, I don't want it and I am not alone.

Edit: OK, I am not sure about what you are suggesting.

Just to change the forum title from opera to vocal. Do you only enjoy opera?

 

[BBSVK]

Just to change the forum title from opera to vocal. Do you only enjoy opera?

I strongly prefer opera but I am OK with merging. Maybe "Vocals and Opera" would be best for a better orientation of newcomers, even though it is not a logical title.

 

[ewilkros]

I strongly prefer opera but I am OK with merging. Maybe "Vocals and Opera" would be best for a better orientation of newcomers, even though it is not a logical title.

Would "Vocal Music (Song, Opera, Choral)" or similar work?

 

[BBSVK]

Would "Vocal Music (Song, Opera, Choral)" or similar work?

OK for me.

 

[Tsaraslondon]

The other forum I was talking about has an Opera and Vocal forum, which is apparently for the discussion of all vocal, opera and staged music, including ballet, though I think most people forget that, as there is little discussion of ballet music. Opera, vocal and choral all co-exist quite happily together though, even if opera and vocal posts outnumber choral. I think it works well and I would be happy if they merged on this forum too.

I started the Nuits d'été thread there, but I think it wold have got more contributions if it had been in the opera thread. I also started a Vocal Recitals thread in our Opera on DVD, BluRay and CD subforum and I post about recitals of both lieder and opera arias, as many singers are active in both fields.

 

[MAS]

Ok by me, though I’ve often checked the Vocal Music forum.

 

[Ethereality]

In forming or reforming any community, it's always good idea to ensure its main description is significatly exclusive regardless of the popular opinion. If that esotericism synergizes, you have coalition. If you have two exclusive doctrines however, the future won't bode well.

Said experiment follows:
Survey genres by order preference.
A Opera
B Vocal
C Chamber and Solo
D Orchestral

Marry when majority = cases where A=1 B=2 and B=1 A=2
Kill when majority = cases where A=1 B=3,4 and B=1 A=3,4

 

[Woodduck]

In forming or reforming any community, it's always good idea to ensure its main description is significatly exclusive regardless of the popular opinion. If that esotericism synergizes, you have coalition. If you have two exclusive doctrines however, the future won't bode well.

Said experiment follows:
Survey genres by order preference.
A Opera
B Vocal
C Chamber and Solo
D Orchestral

Marry when majority = cases where A=1 B=2 and B=1 A=2
Kill when majority = cases where A=1 B=3,4 and B=1 A=3,4

So is opera the dog or the cat?

 

[Ethereality]

So is opera the dog or the cat?

It would be only appropriate to hold a singing contest first. I venture to guess more operatists will favor the voice of cat than vocalists do, or perhaps we're attempting to lead this result subconciously back to two-doctrine division.

 

[Becca]

In forming or reforming any community, it's always good idea to ensure its main description is significatly exclusive regardless of the popular opinion. If that esotericism synergizes, you have coalition. If you have two exclusive doctrines however, the future won't bode well.

 

[Shaughnessy]

I would definitely keep "Opera" in the title - "Opera and Vocal Music" perhaps... or better yet, "Opera, Vocal Music, and the Songs of Ireland"...

Wait... Make that "Opera, Vocal Music, and the Songs of Ireland that you've come to know and love"... yeah... I like that last one... We'll use that.

 

[Mister Meow]

The Opera forum here has probably about 20 times more activity than the Vocal Music forum, so if they were to be merged, the Vocal Music forum would essentially disappear. If someone was interested in art songs, but not opera, they'd have to read about 20 opera-themed titles just to find the one vocal music thread that they might be interested in, on the average. So I would vote for keeping them separate, unless there was some good way to distinguish the art songs vs. the operas vs. the choral music.

Here's another idea: rename this forum from "Opera" to "Opera and Opera Singers".