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Beating Dead Horses Department:

https://www.osv.ltd.uk/how-reliable...ar are actually,the top of reliability charts.

"As we said, there was once a time when Jaguar was considered unreliable. And, this wasn't actually too long ago. In fact, in 2014, the UK was placed at the bottom of the reliability table in a WarrantyDirect survey partly due to the low-reliability score of Jaguar. This survey was compiled to show the best nations for reliability, and the UK came last out of eight nations.

Jaguar also placed 29th in comparison to the automotive industry in terms of reliability, click here to discover where their competitors placed.

This also appeared to be the case in the 2017 survey by WarrantyDirect, which found that British cars were some of the worst on the roads in terms of dependability. This again, was partly due to Jaguar's unreliability. That said, they also factored in Land Rover and Vauxhall in this survey, so it wasn't all to do with Jaguar. And we all know how unreliable Land Rover are, so there's a good chance that they brought down the overall reliability considerably."
It amazes me how often you go to so much trouble to prove your point as I know people who own the cars and they say totally the opposite to what you are dishing out here. I have also owned several Vauxhalls and they were extremely reliable cars. Friends of mine who have owned Land Rovers say the opposite of you . Get the information from the ground not journalists. In any case, when the topic s racism, why are we talking about cars?
 

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Handellian, it is obvious that I have hurt your feelings, and that is sad as I have posted sources and links to illustrate a long-standing claim against Jaguar. Against that you have one--or is it two--bits of anecdote/personal testimony in refutation: powerful stuff indeed! Well, I have--as we recall--the anecdotal testimony of the Jaguar service manager that his dealership could make money on the cars if they gave them away. But, please, do post your sources asserting Jaguar quality to the present day--we all agree that it was a fine marque back in the Days of Hope and Glory. :cool:
 

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Handellian, it is obvious that I have hurt your feelings, and that is sad as I have posted sources and links to illustrate a long-standing claim against Jaguar. Against that you have one--or is it two--bits of anecdote/personal testimony in refutation: powerful stuff indeed! Well, I have--as we recall--the anecdotal testimony of the Jaguar service manager that his dealership could make money on the cars if they gave them away. But, please, do post your sources asserting Jaguar quality to the present day--we all agree that it was a fine marque back in the Days of Hope and Glory. :cool:
You haven't hurt my feelings at all. Why should you? Why do people like you always project? You are just saying discredited information which is your privilege. Just I have had personal experience. You can shoot wide of the mark as often as you like. Makes no difference to me! I read Edward Lear at school! Just funny that's all! Believe what you like - what difference does it make? This thread is about racism btw.
 

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Sources, please? None? I understand.

While this thread is about racism, it--like many other threads--can be an object lesson in how to discuss, engage, "debate": ideology and/or opinions and/or anecdotes versus data, facts, sources. But I am glad I haven't hurt your feelings!
 

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Sources, please? None? I understand.

While this thread is about racism, it--like many other threads--can be an object lesson in how to discuss, engage, "debate": ideology and/or opinions and/or anecdotes versus data, facts, sources. But I am glad I haven't hurt your feelings!
Sources? I owned the cars!

You are not engaging btw just being perverse in your arguments.
 

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Handelian, tell us more! Which cars did you own? Models, years? Share! Mind you, your input is the essence of anecdote, and you may have maintained your vehicles with great care, and there will always be outliers in any survey of anything, while the overall trend runs strongly in another direction. And try not to take this so personally. I am actually engaging! :angel:
 

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Handelian, tell us more! Which cars did you own? Models, years? Share! Mind you, your input is the essence of anecdote, and you may have maintained your vehicles with great care, and there will always be outliers in any survey of anything, while the overall trend runs strongly in another direction. And try not to take this so personally. I am actually engaging! :angel:
I owned Vauxhalls Friends of mine had Jags - one has only just sold his because of an expanding family. Reckons it was the best car he had had and he is a petrolhead. Similarly friends with Range Rovers. No and I didn't maintain them with care as I hate anything to do with cars. Just changed the oil every year and plugs occasionally and they ran fine. I'm still working out what this has to do with race.
 

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Thanks for the input but I think I'll stay on my side of the divide, such as it is. We began this segment when I recalled--as an anecdote--my black co-worker's tale of owning an E-type Jag and being often pulled over for Driving While Black and of his experiences with the "repair" syndrome. The discussion could have ended right there.
 

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Handellian, it is obvious that I have hurt your feelings, and that is sad as I have posted sources and links to illustrate a long-standing claim against Jaguar. Against that you have one--or is it two--bits of anecdote/personal testimony in refutation: powerful stuff indeed! Well, I have--as we recall--the anecdotal testimony of the Jaguar service manager that his dealership could make money on the cars if they gave them away. But, please, do post your sources asserting Jaguar quality to the present day--we all agree that it was a fine marque back in the Days of Hope and Glory. :cool:
Wasn't Jaguar owned for a time by -- wince -- Ford? Impressive that they survived that at all. A colleague at my old firm had a 1960s E-type coupe and kept a photo of it on his desk. I understand the worst problems with the E-type started later when they introduced the V12 engine, which was not a successful concept or design. Still, he would complain that his coupe was not considered as desirable as the roadster, and was expensive to maintain and garage. Still, it was a classic example of mid-century modern design. A colleague I work with now has a late model BMW coupe reminiscent of the E-type. Not the same, though.
 

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Wasn't Jaguar owned for a time by -- wince -- Ford? Impressive that they survived that at all. A colleague at my old firm had a 1960s E-type coupe and kept a photo of it on his desk. I understand the worst problems with the E-type started later when they introduced the V12 engine, which was not a successful concept or design. Still, he would complain that his coupe was not considered as desirable as the roadster, and was expensive to maintain and garage. Still, it was a classic example of mid-century modern design. A colleague I work with now has a late model BMW coupe reminiscent of the E-type. Not the same, though.
I'm currently considering buying a Jaguar!!!!

At the moment it is owned (as is Land Rover) by Tata - an Indian company. Most of the vehicles are made in Britain (although some in Slovakia and, I think, China). The Slovakia aspect results from the ability to subsidise the building of a factory there under EU regional assistance rules.

The reliability record of Jaguar/Land Rover is (I believe) not great currently - but most modern vehicles are very reliable, so that's not too worrying.

Interestingly, if the hostility towards Jaguar build quality relates to an anti-British sentiment, then it is interesting that a lot of Hondas, Toyotas and Nissans are made in the UK, as well as Minis (owned by BMW) and various other prestigious brands such as Bentley, Rolls-Royce and Aston Martin, often with foreign ownership. The reliability record of the Japanese-owned vehicles is excellent (although I am not sure about the Bentleys, et al).

The truth is that some vehicles have better reliability records than others, and some are made in the UK (of varying degrees of reliability), among which some are more reliable than others. I am not sure what this spat about Jaguars has to do with anything.
 

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Yup, Ford did own Jaguar. My black co-worker had the 12-cylinder V engine in his E-type, if I recall correctly (it's been many decades). Never ran properly for any length of time.

Al, best of luck with your Jag, should you so chose! :tiphat:
Jaguar touted the V12 extensively in its ad campaigns back when I was a wide-eyed little kid using my allowance to buy the Corgi and Matchbox versions, which I believe I still own. Not much long-term collectors' value there, either. If only my parents had bought one of those Andy Warhol soup can paintings!
Edit: I don't know where my Jaguars are right now, but here's another expensive car to maintain - a Rolls Royce Phantom V. Queen Elizabeth had one, as did John Lennon, who, iirc, had his painted with colorful psychedelic designs. Perhaps he and Yoko Ono arrived at the Abbey Road studios in that when they created Revolution 9, a high point in the history of mid-century conceptual art music. Mine has had no mechanical issues and is economical to maintain. ;-) Wheel Car Tire Vehicle Motor vehicle

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I promise this is my last post concerning cars on this thread. This is the last Jag I owned XK 150 3.5L had absolutely no problems and had the straight 6 engine which was designed by Jaguar.

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My final contribution to this part of the thread involves Walter "Walt" Hansgen, born in Westfield NJ where his father had a body shop and Walt later owned the Jaguar dealership. Walt drove Jaguars extensively, winning a number of SCCA races in them. I sometimes saw Hansgen race at Bridgehampton and Watkins Glen and my father had a small office in Westfield and sometimes spoke with Hansgen. He recalled Hansgen speaking of driving (rapidly) to Florida in one of his Jags, being observed by local police and on several occasions just putting pedal to the metal and outrunning them. Sadly, died after a test drive crash at Le Mans, in a Ford. Many Internet entries:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Hansgen
 

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My final contribution to this part of the thread involves Walter "Walt" Hansgen, born in Westfield NJ where his father had a body shop and Walt later owned the Jaguar dealership. Walt drove Jaguars extensively, winning a number of SCCA races in them. I sometimes saw Hansgen race at Bridgehampton and Watkins Glen and my father had a small office in Westfield and sometimes spoke with Hansgen. He recalled Hansgen speaking of driving (rapidly) to Florida in one of his Jags, being observed by local police and on several occasions just putting pedal to the metal and outrunning them. Sadly, died after a test drive crash at Le Mans, in a Ford. Many Internet entries:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Hansgen
He was quite the legend. But I learned early to stick with classical music and forget about muscle cars. In the 80s, I drove a rented Camaro from DC's airport down Route 29 In Virginia. Not only was it unstable and tended to fishtail with its front heavy, rear wheel drive design, I got escorted to each county line by a county police car, with a new cop smoothly taking over as soon as I entered each new county. I later drove a friend's 450SL coupe on the interstate, taking it up to 100. It was very smooth and quiet up to 80, but it began to roar and vibrate above that.
 

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The real question is how racist are you if you listen to classical music in your jaguar while driving over traditionally indigenous lands!

This is concerning Classical Music
which I never listen to when driving because wind/road noise drowns all quiet passages. but when I pull over for a cup of coffee then I press the button.
 
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This is concerning Classical Music
which I never listen to when driving because wind/road noise drowns all quiet passages. but when I pull over for a cup of coffee then I press the button.
I pulled up to a traffic light and a young guy next to me driving a souped up rag top with a souped up sub woofer had "music" blaring, though all I could hear was, thump! thump! thump! I turned on my classical music station on my meek little OE car radio at modest volume just to distract me, not to annoy him. Also, I had my windows closed. Well, this kid stares at me and turns his "music" even further up in volume! My Weber overture was getting in the way of him enjoying his thump! thump! thump! Perhaps the lesson is, even if there is a racist message in Western classical music, it is one capable of being drowned out.
 
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