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Do you have prejudices regarding any composer?

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I can't stand Tchaikovsky since the very beginning. Too Disney-ish for me most of the time. So I kind of look somewhere else whenever our paths cross. I know it's bad and all of that, but I am sure some of you have the same unavoidable feeling about some other composers. :devil:
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Yes, but I can think of only a few offhand :)

I am reticent to wholeheartedly embrace the music of composers whose music is deeply nationalistic, eg., the slew of Slavic composers with all of their folk melodies. Smetana comes to mind (I recently added Dvořák to my hearem and have discovered some of Janáček's later works, however).

The English school of composers (I mentioned them in another thread yesterday), Elgar, Walton, Bax (actually Irish, I believe), Vaughan Williams and likely others, seem a bit nationalistic and stodgy (Elgar's chamber music turns out to be very nice, however, what little I have heard, as well as the Concertos; and I have received a most promising recommendation for an opera by Vaughan Williams recently).

I cannot locate the details, but, if my memory is correct, Vincent d'Indy was instrumental in ousting Camille Saint-Saëns from his position in some musical society. He showed himself to be such an @$$ that I have written him off. Luckily, his music is not much performed these days, anyway.

I don't wish to constantly have to come back to this, but American composers continually display that American sound, for want of a more precise term. As soon as I hear it, it's over between us. Copland, in his populist phase (his early output is surprisingly interesting!), raises hairs all over my body. The minimalists similarly. They sound like diluted classical music, intended to appeal to pop audiences, to give them a feeling of culture. As I stated elsewhere, I have discovered a few pieces that sound okay, but I'm interested in composers who are on my wave length, whose output I embrace rabidly, as opposed to composers who manage to write an occasional piece that is just okay.

There are probably a few others. All in all, I am quite accepting and open to most composers and their works and am continually breaking down my prejudices and adding even more composers to my collection and ears. Opera is subject to a recent campaign in this direction, for example, as are composers mentioned above and elsewhere.
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What is the "American sound" in these pieces, pray tell?;)

I don't hear a trace of it.

I tied to open the links without looking, so as to be able to get an unbiased opinion. I succeeded in all but 2 cases, I think. Like PetrB has often said, however, I turned them all off after a few seconds to a couple of minutes :eek: I guess I've either heard a lot of this kind of thing, or I'm just not much into it anymore. I know where this thing is going.

Here's what I thought:

#1 : reminds me of Pierre Henry; dated electronic, meh.
#2 : reminds me of Luc Ferrari, Ivo Malec, Iannis Xenakis; I like it.
#3 : reminds me of Morton Subotnick; ho-hum.
#4 : a weird performance art piece; blech.
#5 : reminds me of Feldman, vaguely; meh.
#6 : old garde electroacoustic or electronic; I like it.
#7 : reminds me of Partch; blech.

I keep thinking of PetrB's recent comments about a musical saturation point. Perhaps I have just heard too much and can't hear these things as original anymore ;) #2 and #6 would be worth exploring, when I'm in the mood for that sort of thing... but I could just put my Xenakis Electronic Music album on, too :eek:
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Or (speaking for me), absence makes the heart grow fonder, by not listening :devil:
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I used to have lots of classical music prejudices :eek::rolleyes: I've gotten over most of them (see above, page one or so).

One of my old prejudices was against Prokofiev, who is now one of my many hearem composers. I think it was that I associated him with Peter and the Wolf so strongly, that I couldn't think of him as more than a children's composer. It was in my early exploratory years when I was heavily into nothing but avant garde, and Prokofiev just didn't sound it, which served only to further entrench my view :lol:
Rather than pine about music of this or that era, I prefer listening to it.
Well said. That's where I want to get to. I hereby revoke all of my dislikes, prejudices and negative impressions in order to simply listen as the urge compels.
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I explore everything as I experience an interest in it and a desire for it.
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It's the difference between an eatable hotdog and an uneatable dog turd. I'll take the former.
Let's not contemplate the difference between an inedible hot dog and an edible dog turd :D
I've had too much of the music I love relegated to the "unlistenable" bin by others to take it seriously as a label. I don't use the term myself because it's essentially a personal reaction (I find this unlistenable at this moment) that purports to be a description of the actual music (there is something about this music which is essentially unpalatable to me/humanity). Usually, it's not even literally true for the individual who uses it.
Since I got into classical in my late teens, and that began with a turgid hear-on for the Darmstadt and Neue Wiener Schulen, my music has been described as either unlistenable, weird, bizarre or not music, so I have gotten used to it, too :)

I am trying to begin to make an effort to stop labelling music this way myself. Usually, it just means that it is not interesting to me at this point in time, because my attention happens to be 100% focussed on something else.
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