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Nominations for the Mahler: Der Ring des Nibelungen:


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Results for the nominations:

Barenboim: 2009 Warner/BFO
Knappertsbusch: 1957 Walhall/BFO
Goodall: 2001 Chandos/ENO
Furtwängler: 1950 Pristine, Gebhardt/La Scala
Keilberth: 1955 Testament/BFO
Janowski: 1983 Eurodisk, RCA/Staatskapelle Dresden
Furtwängler: 1953 EMI, Pristine/RAI
Knappertsbusch: 1956 Orfeo/BFO
Böhm: 1967 Philips, Decca/BFO
Solti: 1958-1965 Decca/VPO
Karajan: 1970 DG/BPO
Barenboim: 1994 Teldec/BFO
Levine: 2002 DG/Met
 

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Important announcement for the participants in this project:

The moderating team has investigated the first six rounds of this undertaking. We have discovered some serious voting irregularities which have impacted the results of these rounds considerably. We have taken measures to ensure that this does not occur again. The most recent nomination phase (Wagner's Ring) is OK, but the first six rounds would need to be re-done.

We have discussed the situation with lnjng, and he has agreed to re-do the first six rounds. We are working out some details.
 

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For anyone who was following those polls, and is aware of the reasons why Internet polling is beyond dodgy, it's hardly a challenge to surmise with likely accuracy what was happening.

This is why some of us called for public polling. That in itself wouldn't necessarily stop the potential problems, but it would assist in revealing them. It's also why I called out the polling right away as clearly not above board, and stopped participating.

I don't think there is actually much like a true consensus for top recordings of major works here on Talk Classical, but to the extent that there is, it was apparent what was happening in these polls was very far from it. Someone was putting their thumb on the scale.

What's pathetic is that someone was so obsessed with their own selection winning, that they decided they had to cheat in order to make it happen.

I applaud the mods for uncovering the fraud, calling it out, and requesting a total re-do of those polls. I'm not sure whether I will participate again, because I'm rather soured on the whole procedure, but the mods did good here.

Now I'd like to call on the mods to also please ban whomever it was who tried this. Such behavior is against the Terms of Agreement for posting here, is it not?
 

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For anyone who was following those polls, and is aware of the reasons why Internet polling is beyond dodgy, it's hardly a challenge to surmise with likely accuracy what was happening.

This is why some of us called for public polling. That in itself wouldn't necessarily stop the potential problems, but it would assist in revealing them. It's also why I called out the polling right away as clearly not above board, and stopped participating.

I don't think there is actually much like a true consensus for top recordings of major works here on Talk Classical, but to the extent that there is, it was apparent what was happening in these polls was very far from it. Someone was putting their thumb on the scale.

What's pathetic is that someone was so obsessed with their own selection winning, that they decided they had to cheat in order to make it happen.

I applaud the mods for uncovering the fraud, calling it out, and requesting a total re-do of those polls. I'm not sure whether I will participate again, because I'm rather soured on the whole procedure, but the mods did good here.

Now I'd like to call on the mods to also please ban whomever it was who tried this. Such behavior is against the Terms of Agreement for posting here, is it not?
1) What is your proof that this occurred, other than the results not being in accord with your own preferences?

2) If that was indeed the case and it was proven to be the case, why do the mods need to hide it now, especially given that we now have people openly speculating as to what happened?
 

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Specific actions by the moderating team that involve members of this site will not be discussed by us in public. That has always been the case and we make no exception here.

Let's stop this discussion. The decision has been made, we are confident that our actions ensure a fair nomination/voting procedure from now on, and lnjng has agreed to re-do the first series of nominations/votings.
 

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Discussion Starter · #134 ·
Redone nominations for Beethoven: Symphony No. 9:

Recording# of Nom.
Karajan: 1963 DG/BPO2
Karajan: 1977 DG/BPO4
Chailly: 2008 Decca/Gewandhaus3
Szell: 1961 Sony/Cleveland1
Honeck: 2021 Reference Recordings/Pittsburgh SO2
Fricsay: 1958 DG/BPO2
Abbado: 1987 DG/VPO1
Immerseel: 2008 Zig Zag/Anima Eterna3
Wand: 1986 RCA/NDR1
Jochum: 1969 Philips/Concertgebouworkest1
Harnoncourt: 1991 Teldec/Chamber Orchestra of Europe1
Ádám Fischer: 2019 Naxos/Danish Chamber Orchestra1
Furtwängler: 1951 EMI/BFO1
Krivine: 2011 Naive/La Chambre Philharmonique1
Schmidt-Isserstedt: 1965 Decca/VPO1
Leinsdorf: 1969 RCA/BSO1
Furtwängler: 1942 Pristine/BPO3
Bernstein: 1979 DG/VPO1
Bohm: 1972 DG/VPO1
Solti: 1972 Decca/CSO1
Abbado: 2000 DG/BPO1
Munch: 1958 RCA/BSO1
Giulini: 1972 His Master's Voice/LSO1
Giulini: 1989 DG/BPO1
Wand: 1987 RCA/NDRSO2
Blomstedt: 1980 RCA/Staatskapelle Dresden1
 

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Discussion Starter · #135 ·
Final results for Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen:

Böhm1967 Philips, Decca/BFO7
Solti1958-1965 Decca/VPO5
Karajan1970 DG/BPO5
Keilberth1955 Testament/BFO5
Janowski1983 Eurodisk, RCA/Staatskapelle Dresden4
Barenboim1994 Teldec/BFO4
 

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Re-done poll (1) for Beethoven: Symphony No. 9:

 

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Discussion Starter · #138 ·
Nominations for Bach: Cello Suites, BWV 1007-1012:


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Discussion Starter · #139 ·
Nominations for Bach: Cello Suites:

Fournier: 1961 Archiv4
Wispelwey: 2012 Evil Penguin4
Wispelwey: 1998 Channel Records1
Bylsma: 1992 Sony3
Jian Wang: 2005 DG1
Maisky: 1985 DG1
Heinrich Schiff: 1985 EMI1
Queyras: 2007 Harmonia Mundi2
Butt: 2009 Warner1
Gendron: 1979 Philips2
Casals: 1936 EMI4
Starker: 1992 RCA3
Haimovitz: 2015 Pentatone3
Vardai: 2017 Brilliant2
Coppey: 2004 Aeon1
Rostropovich: 1991 EMI3
Ma: 1983 CBS2
Carr: 2013 Wigmore Hall Live1
Badiarov: 2010 Ramée1
Kuijken: 2004 Arcana1
Brunello: 1995 Amadeus1
Luckert: 2017 DSP1
Mercury: 1990 Living Presence1
Domenga: 2017 ECM New Series1
Bagratuni: 2005 Blue Griffin1
Mork: 2005 Virgin1
Kirshbaum: 1994 Virgin1
Geringas: 2011 Es-dur1
Gastinel: 2007 Naive1
Ma: 2018 Sony1
Isserlis: 2007 Hyperion2
ter Linden: 2006 Brilliant1
Zlotkin: 1997 Parnassus1
Dumas: 2018 Urania1
 

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Re-done poll (2) for Beethoven: Symphony No. 9:

 
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