[lnjng]

Nominations for the Mahler: Der Ring des Nibelungen:

Favorite Recordings Of... Wagner: Der Ring des...

This is stage one of the seventh game in the "Favorite Recordings Of..." project. The goal here is to nominate recordings for Wagner's Ring cycle. Separate participants may nominate the same recording several times, but the same person may not. Nominations end after 7 days, or 1 day of...

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Spreadsheet:

"Favorite Recordings Of..." Project Discography

Discography Composer,Work,Artist,Label/Group,Recommendations,Link Beethoven, Ludwig van,Symphony #9 in D minor, op. 125 "Choral" [1824],Karajan,1977 DG/BPO,7,<a href="https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/favorite-recordings-of-beethoven-symphony-9-in-d-minor-choral-1b-finals.80444/">https://www...

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[lnjng]

Results for the nominations:

Barenboim: 2009 Warner/BFO

Knappertsbusch: 1957 Walhall/BFO

Goodall: 2001 Chandos/ENO

Furtwängler: 1950 Pristine, Gebhardt/La Scala

Keilberth: 1955 Testament/BFO

Janowski: 1983 Eurodisk, RCA/Staatskapelle Dresden

Furtwängler: 1953 EMI, Pristine/RAI

Knappertsbusch: 1956 Orfeo/BFO

Böhm: 1967 Philips, Decca/BFO

Solti: 1958-1965 Decca/VPO

Karajan: 1970 DG/BPO

Barenboim: 1994 Teldec/BFO

Levine: 2002 DG/Met

 

[Art Rock]

Important announcement for the participants in this project:

The moderating team has investigated the first six rounds of this undertaking. We have discovered some serious voting irregularities which have impacted the results of these rounds considerably. We have taken measures to ensure that this does not occur again. The most recent nomination phase (Wagner's Ring) is OK, but the first six rounds would need to be re-done.

We have discussed the situation with lnjng, and he has agreed to re-do the first six rounds. We are working out some details.

 

[Merl]

'"Voting irregularities"! Who'd have thought it? 🤔🧦. Looks like some of those results weren't the landslides they first appeared.

 

[Brahmsianhorn]

Can the mods at least tell us the nature of the irregularities?

 

[Art Rock]

Can the mods at least tell us the nature of the irregularities?

No. We will not give more details than this, for good reasons.

 

[Brahmsianhorn]

No. We will not give more details than this, for good reasons.

National security?

 

[Knorf]

For anyone who was following those polls, and is aware of the reasons why Internet polling is beyond dodgy, it's hardly a challenge to surmise with likely accuracy what was happening.

This is why some of us called for public polling. That in itself wouldn't necessarily stop the potential problems, but it would assist in revealing them. It's also why I called out the polling right away as clearly not above board, and stopped participating.

I don't think there is actually much like a true consensus for top recordings of major works here on Talk Classical, but to the extent that there is, it was apparent what was happening in these polls was very far from it. Someone was putting their thumb on the scale.

What's pathetic is that someone was so obsessed with their own selection winning, that they decided they had to cheat in order to make it happen.

I applaud the mods for uncovering the fraud, calling it out, and requesting a total re-do of those polls. I'm not sure whether I will participate again, because I'm rather soured on the whole procedure, but the mods did good here.

Now I'd like to call on the mods to also please ban whomever it was who tried this. Such behavior is against the Terms of Agreement for posting here, is it not?

 

[Becca]

I can't help being struck by the number of banned members in the voting for the more 'popular' recordings.

 

[Brahmsianhorn]

For anyone who was following those polls, and is aware of the reasons why Internet polling is beyond dodgy, it's hardly a challenge to surmise with likely accuracy what was happening.

This is why some of us called for public polling. That in itself wouldn't necessarily stop the potential problems, but it would assist in revealing them. It's also why I called out the polling right away as clearly not above board, and stopped participating.

I don't think there is actually much like a true consensus for top recordings of major works here on Talk Classical, but to the extent that there is, it was apparent what was happening in these polls was very far from it. Someone was putting their thumb on the scale.

What's pathetic is that someone was so obsessed with their own selection winning, that they decided they had to cheat in order to make it happen.

I applaud the mods for uncovering the fraud, calling it out, and requesting a total re-do of those polls. I'm not sure whether I will participate again, because I'm rather soured on the whole procedure, but the mods did good here.

Now I'd like to call on the mods to also please ban whomever it was who tried this. Such behavior is against the Terms of Agreement for posting here, is it not?

1) What is your proof that this occurred, other than the results not being in accord with your own preferences?

2) If that was indeed the case and it was proven to be the case, why do the mods need to hide it now, especially given that we now have people openly speculating as to what happened?

 

[Chilham]

... we now have people openly speculating as to what happened?

What do you think happened?

 

[Art Rock]

Specific actions by the moderating team that involve members of this site will not be discussed by us in public. That has always been the case and we make no exception here.

Let's stop this discussion. The decision has been made, we are confident that our actions ensure a fair nomination/voting procedure from now on, and lnjng has agreed to re-do the first series of nominations/votings.

 

[Brahmsianhorn]

What do you think happened?

I have no idea, but I’m certainly not going to pretend to know

 

[lnjng]

Redone nominations for Beethoven: Symphony No. 9:

Recording	# of Nom.
Karajan: 1963 DG/BPO	2
Karajan: 1977 DG/BPO	4
Chailly: 2008 Decca/Gewandhaus	3
Szell: 1961 Sony/Cleveland	1
Honeck: 2021 Reference Recordings/Pittsburgh SO	2
Fricsay: 1958 DG/BPO	2
Abbado: 1987 DG/VPO	1
Immerseel: 2008 Zig Zag/Anima Eterna	3
Wand: 1986 RCA/NDR	1
Jochum: 1969 Philips/Concertgebouworkest	1
Harnoncourt: 1991 Teldec/Chamber Orchestra of Europe	1
Ádám Fischer: 2019 Naxos/Danish Chamber Orchestra	1
Furtwängler: 1951 EMI/BFO	1
Krivine: 2011 Naive/La Chambre Philharmonique	1
Schmidt-Isserstedt: 1965 Decca/VPO	1
Leinsdorf: 1969 RCA/BSO	1
Furtwängler: 1942 Pristine/BPO	3
Bernstein: 1979 DG/VPO	1
Bohm: 1972 DG/VPO	1
Solti: 1972 Decca/CSO	1
Abbado: 2000 DG/BPO	1
Munch: 1958 RCA/BSO	1
Giulini: 1972 His Master's Voice/LSO	1
Giulini: 1989 DG/BPO	1
Wand: 1987 RCA/NDRSO	2
Blomstedt: 1980 RCA/Staatskapelle Dresden	1

 

[lnjng]

Final results for Wagner: Der Ring des Nibelungen:

Böhm	1967 Philips, Decca/BFO	7
Solti	1958-1965 Decca/VPO	5
Karajan	1970 DG/BPO	5
Keilberth	1955 Testament/BFO	5
Janowski	1983 Eurodisk, RCA/Staatskapelle Dresden	4
Barenboim	1994 Teldec/BFO	4

 

[lnjng]

Nominations for Bach: Cello Suites and re-done polls for Beethoven's 9th will begin soon.

 

[lnjng]

Re-done poll (1) for Beethoven: Symphony No. 9:

Favorite Recordings Of... Beethoven: Symphony #9 in D...

We have redone the nominations due to problems with nominations in the past, and we are now redoing the voting rounds. We have nominated 26 recordings, 13 of which will be voted on in this first round. Updated rules can be found on post #120 of the main thread. Discussion below is encouraged...

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[lnjng]

Nominations for Bach: Cello Suites, BWV 1007-1012:

Favorite Recordings Of... Bach: Cello Suites (8...

This is stage one of the eigth game in the "Favorite Recordings Of..." project. The goal here is to nominate recordings for Bach's Cello Suites. Separate participants may nominate the same recording several times, but the same person may not. Nominations end after 7 days, or 1 day of...

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Spreadsheet:

"Favorite Recordings Of..." Project Discography

Discography Composer,Work,Artist,Label/Group,Recommendations,Link Beethoven, Ludwig van,Symphony #9 in D minor, op. 125 "Choral" [1824],Karajan,1977 DG/BPO,7,<a href="https://www.talkclassical.com/threads/favorite-recordings-of-beethoven-symphony-9-in-d-minor-choral-1b-finals.80444/">https://www...

docs.google.com

 

[lnjng]

Nominations for Bach: Cello Suites:

Fournier: 1961 Archiv	4
Wispelwey: 2012 Evil Penguin	4
Wispelwey: 1998 Channel Records	1
Bylsma: 1992 Sony	3
Jian Wang: 2005 DG	1
Maisky: 1985 DG	1
Heinrich Schiff: 1985 EMI	1
Queyras: 2007 Harmonia Mundi	2
Butt: 2009 Warner	1
Gendron: 1979 Philips	2
Casals: 1936 EMI	4
Starker: 1992 RCA	3
Haimovitz: 2015 Pentatone	3
Vardai: 2017 Brilliant	2
Coppey: 2004 Aeon	1
Rostropovich: 1991 EMI	3
Ma: 1983 CBS	2
Carr: 2013 Wigmore Hall Live	1
Badiarov: 2010 Ramée	1
Kuijken: 2004 Arcana	1
Brunello: 1995 Amadeus	1
Luckert: 2017 DSP	1
Mercury: 1990 Living Presence	1
Domenga: 2017 ECM New Series	1
Bagratuni: 2005 Blue Griffin	1
Mork: 2005 Virgin	1
Kirshbaum: 1994 Virgin	1
Geringas: 2011 Es-dur	1
Gastinel: 2007 Naive	1
Ma: 2018 Sony	1
Isserlis: 2007 Hyperion	2
ter Linden: 2006 Brilliant	1
Zlotkin: 1997 Parnassus	1
Dumas: 2018 Urania	1

 

[lnjng]

Re-done poll (2) for Beethoven: Symphony No. 9:

Favorite Recordings Of... Beethoven: Symphony #9 in D...

We have redone the nominations due to problems with nominations in the past, and we are now redoing the voting rounds. We have voted upon 13 recordings already in the first round, and the next 13 will be voted on in this second round. Updated rules can be found on post #120 of the main thread...

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