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LEMESHEV Werther "Pourquoi me reveiller" 1938
Werther: "Pourquoi Me Reveiller" · Jules Massenet · Georges Thill








Tito Schipa - Pourquoi me reveiller. 1939 (Film clip)
 

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I went over these with a 10 ft comb because I was confused as to what was more important to me. Was it the sweetest voice done by Thill in the langueage come scritto almost like the reading of a beautiful poem, or was it the more emotionally felt rendering in Russian that, instead of turnng me off, opened my eyes to the drama of the piece, which to me was sorely needed, and not a bit overdone like Schipa in the movie version in Italian, which I ousted.
So by process of elimination I decided on Lemenshev. (come by and say hi in my lonely little nest above).
 

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Three very different voices, three very different interpretations, and in three languages!

Lemeshev is the rare tenor who can float his voice so ethereally that we forget that singing is a physical process. I want to award him a special prize for this every time I hear him. His is the dreamiest - in the literal sense - version of this aria imaginable; he seems to be off somewhere in his own mind, imagining or remembering something. It's enchanting, and it's not an unreasonable approach, given that Werther is reading a poem. The passion in the music is slighted, though.

Thill is impeccable, as he usually is. Sometimes I think that nothing else needs to be said about any Thill performance. I won't say that this makes him boring - he's too fine and sensitive a musician, and always worth hearing - but I never find much imagination in his renderings, and I get no sense of him as an individual or, here, of Werther as a character.

Schipa? Unmistakably an individual, offering total involvement, both poetic and passionate, and a piquant, oboe-like vocal timbre impossible to mistake for any other. Lemeshev and Thill may both be more perfect singers, but Shipa seems to me to do the fullest justice to the music and drama. I can't ask for more.
 

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Three very different voices, three very different interpretations, and in three languages!

Lemeshev is the rare tenor who can float his voice so ethereally that we forget that singing is a physical process. I want to award him a special prize for this every time I hear him. His is the dreamiest - in the literal sense - version of this aria imaginable; he seems to be off somewhere in his own mind, imagining or remembering something. It's enchanting, and it's not an unreasonable approach, given that Werther is reading a poem. The passion in the music is slighted, though.

Thill is impeccable, as he usually is. Sometimes I think that nothing else needs to be said about any Thill performance. I won't say that this makes him boring - he's too fine and sensitive a musician, and always worth hearing - but I never find much imagination in his renderings, and I get no sense of him as an individual or, here, of Werther as a character.

Schipa? Unmistakably an individual, offering total involvement, both poetic and passionate, and a piquant, oboe-like vocal timbre impossible to mistake for any other. Lemeshev and Thill may both be more perfect singers, but Shipa seems to me to do the fullest justice to the music and drama. I can't ask for more.
As soon as I started getting the incredible response ( I expected it) for Lemeshev then I made sure to put him into contests where I can.
 

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3 separate listening sessions spread over three days leads to a three-way tie - Any differences that I can detect can be dismissed as being primarily the result of an over-active imagination - I would be willing to listen to anything sung by any of the three...
It's lovely when all the contestants are so good that it's more a matter of "different" than of "better."
 

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So competitive!!!! First of all, what fun with Lemeshev singing in Russian and darned if that didn’t turn the thing into a Russian aria! At the top I had to quickly bring myself back to full focus to remind myself what aria it was. If Lenski got a second aria, it sounds like this could be it. After first looking at the heading of the three tenors involved here and assuming the crown would go to Schipa - I missed the round that Lemeshev was in - Lemeshev threw those assumptions out the window really fast. Just a superb reading. And discovery number two… Thill starts singing, sounds great, but immediately compared to Lemeshev there was something I was wanting and darn if it didn’t turn out to be the portamento! I went back to listen to Lemeshev’s opening afterwards and heard that particularly in those opening phrases his use of potamento was still judicious, but without question was there and affecting the feel of the music in a way that was wonderful! So how was the king going to do after all of this? Well, in my book, at least the crown stays on his head. Here, the use of overt emotion was, to my tastes, expertly handled, with the releases feeling organic, and part of the climax of the romantic angst…. Completely effective for this particular character. The mournful quality I hear in Schipa’s voice makes it absolutely perfect for this music, but also calls into attention how skillful a singer he is for it to somehow be used to great effect in such happier music as the serenade from Don Pasquale, and the wonderful recording of the cherry duet! My fondness for this singer grows all the time. I didn’t know him well enough!
 

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Well... that's the way I am. And I am not married ;-)
Be whoever you are or may be - I know that you're not married - The sentence that I wrote is in the future tense suggesting that there may come a point in your life in which writing your own wedding vows may be something that you might consider doing - My suggestion was that you might want to give some thought to reconsidering that decision - ;)
 

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So how was the king going to do after all of this? Well, in my book, at least the crown stays on his head. Here, the use of overt emotion was, to my tastes, expertly handled, with the releases feeling organic, and part of the climax of the romantic angst…. Completely effective for this particular character. The mournful quality I hear in Schipa’s voice makes it absolutely perfect for this music, but also calls into attention how skillful a singer he is for it to somehow be used to great effect in such happier music as the serenade from Don Pasquale, and the wonderful recording of the cherry duet! My fondness for this singer grows all the time. I didn’t know him well enough!
All tenors pay tribute to Schipa. The smart ones, anyway.
 

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"We all bow down before Schipa!"...Gigli's version I think.
"Transcending the natural limitations of his voice, Tito Schipa became a paragon among tenors, a peerless stylist without obtrusive mannerisms, and a refined vocalist of great artistic achievements and immense popularity.

Beniamino Gigli wrote of him "though there were many fine tenors ... endowed with greater potential than Schipa, when he sang, we all had to bow down to his greatness."

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