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Great counterpoint that has nothing to do with fugues

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It's common to see counterpoint named as if it were a mere synonymous with fugues. Of course, counterpoint is a much more general musical skill than the ability to write fugues. And, in fact, as I mentioned many times here, I claim that a composer can show how good s/he is at counterpoint without having to write a single fugue ever.

Thus, post and comment examples of great counterpoint that has nothing to do with fugues.
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The 20th century English composer Robert Simpson, while not always being completely accessible or even sensible, wrote a string of symphonies that used counterpoint.

He was famous for having orchestral "cells" played against one another; that is, certain sections of the orchestra would play one set of music, other sections would play another, and they would play both simultaneously.

I believe Charles Ives did similarly in his 4th symphony to such extent it required more than one conductor to perform the music.

This is, I believe, the definition of counterpoint -- note against note or one set of music played against or combined with another.

The boyhood songs "99 Bottles Of Beer On the Wall" and "Row, Row, Row Your Boat" can also be performed not as fugues or fugato but as counterpoint.

Getting back to Simpson, he composed one symphony (maybe No. 2) as a palindrome -- the same going forward as backward. It was pretty to look at the score but not necessarily successful musically, as I recall.

I don't remember where all this happened but I wrote a review of his symphonies years ago for Amazon. I'm sure I mentioned some of this there/then.
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Several examples in Mahler's symphonies. This is just one (movement 5 - Rondo Finale)...

An example from my go-to composer.

In his "demonstration piece," the prelude to Die Meistersinger, there's conscious archaism; after exploiting throughout its length a great range of contrapuntal textures imitative and nonimitative, the piece climaxes in the simultaneous sounding of its four major themes (this occurs at 6:50):
This is such an awesome post, but it's unfortunate 3 of the 4 videos have become unavailable. I'll provide the new links (I'm not exactly sure what the last video was, though).
This is such an awesome post, but it's unfortunate 3 of the 4 videos have become unavailable. I'll provide the new links (I'm not exactly sure what the last video was, though).
Heh heh. Thanks. I suppose someone will be digging around in the archives and find this.
Just for variety, many different simultaneous vocal melodies polyphony in a 90s rock song, I linked the exact moment. There are folk genres, like those of Georgia (of the Caucasus) that are fully polyphonic.


I always relish the wonderful flowering of 'Greensleeves' from the jig in Holst's St Paul's Suite. Listen from 11'10"

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