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I think you can make a voice big by pushing it, like Netrebko has with consequences. Eaglen, Podles and Blythe all had voices that were default full and easy to hear over an orchestra always. Renee Fleming could make a big sound, but was sparing with that gear and it served her well as she ended her career with a still healthy voice just recently after a long career.
 

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What kind of soprano would you consider Netrebko to be? I'm also curious to if you've heard her live because I've only heard her on recordings so far, and that probably distorts things quite a bit.

And Stephanie Blythe is absolutely a powerhouse!
Blythe had the biggest voice I ever heard when she did Amneris. She did a lot of Handel which was restrained.
Netrebko had a lovely lyric voice. I think it grew some but not enough for many of the roles she is doing. It is not beautiful like it was when she was in her heyday 20 years ago.
 

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I've definitely heard from a lot of people that Blythe's voice is absolutely huge - I need to see her live at least once (argh covid!)

Any recording of Netrebko's that you'd absolutely recommend? I actually don't listen to her much sooo but I guess I liked her Musetta.
Blythe is no longer a mezzo. She is a tenor and does one woman shows as a male drag character. Her voice is still gorgeous and healthy but she has lost all the upper register and gained an octave below
Pick an early video of Netrebko where you can see how gorgeous she was.
 

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Quick question - would for Sills, say, the challenge be projecting over denser orchestra or just conveying the dramatic intensity? I'm inclined to think it's a combination of both, but I've also heard slightly, slightly different things from pros.

Would you say between Elena (Vespri), Maria Stuarda, and Norma, how would they be ordered in terms of heaviness? I'm trying to get a sense of how these work since I've never heard any of it live, so I just have to make do with recordings and other things for now. Fingers crossed that I'll get to see live opera soon!

I agree though - I'm not partial to Netrebko's Turandot or Isolde (I don't think she's done any productions of Isolde yet). Or her husband. I quite liked her Musetta and Mimi as well as some of the other lyric stuff she's done, but not the Turandot or the dramatic stuff. Would her vibrato now be a wobble? (Hesitant to call it so but it sounds like it to me)
Sills could always convey strong emotion but it would get lost over a big orchestra or singing high notes over a chorus. Netrebko has a wobble now.
 

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Roles don't really require voices of specific sizes. You have to be audible, obviously, and you don't want to have to overexert to achieve that, but once that hurdle is cleared other qualities in the voice are more important than sheer volume. Roles are sung effectively by voices of different sizes, and the roles you mention are no exception.
Studer didn't have a really big voice but she effectively sang some roles like Salome, Elsa and the Santo di Patria role effectively by virtue of the fact that her projection was so excellent. One of the great things about Flagstad was she could use full vocal dynamics over a full orchestra instead of always singing in 5th gear because her projection of her sound was almost supernatural. it wasn't size that gave the effect described whereby when she sang it sounded like she was standing right in front of you.
 

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"Miss Cerquetti, who was just 26, had already impressed opera lovers in the United States, making her debut with the Chicago Opera in 1955, singing the role of Amelia in Verdi’s “Un Ballo in Maschera.” But while replacing Callas thrust her to a new level, it also took a toll.

For a time, Miss Cerquetti pulled off an unlikely twin billing — alternating standing in for Callas in Rome and performing the role in Naples, more than 100 miles away. In mid-January, suffering from what a psychiatrist called “nervous exhaustion,” she backed out of Bellini’s “The Pirate,” at the Palermo Opera. A psychiatrist, citing her heavy workload, prescribed sedatives and 20 days of rest.

She went on to noted performances at La Scala in Milan and elsewhere, and on Italian radio broadcasts, but just three years after those tumultuous days at Teatro dell’Opera, she abruptly retired and all but disappeared.

This time, it was Miss Cerquetti who faced questions. Had her voice failed? Did she have neurological issues? Heart problems? She blamed fatigue.

“I was very tired because I couldn’t sleep at night and during the day I sang,” Miss Cerquetti said in a 1996 interview with Stefan Zucker, president of the Bel Canto Society, an organization devoted to the history of opera singing. “It got to the point where I had absolute need of physical rest. Above all, I needed to sleep. This was from stress. But, thank God, my vocal cords remained intact and have remained so until today. This is the truth.”

She added: “So many things were said, understandably, because I had left my career at its most beautiful moment. It’s only natural that people asked why. And since everyone needed a reason, each one invented his own.”

Critics praised her natural talent but saw room for refinement, pointing out what at times was noticeably heavy breathing.

“Miss Cerquetti’s recorded performance of arias by Verdi, Bellini, Spontini and Puccini leaves no doubt that her voice is a remarkable instrument,” John Briggs wrote in The New York Times in 1957 in a review of “Operatic Recital by Anita Cerquetti,” one of a small number of commercial recordings she made. “Whether it is being used with skill is another question.”


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"But in 1961, after a so-so performance of Verdi’s Nabucco, she dropped out of sight and was never seen or heard on an operatic stage thereafter. For decades, the rumors spread that she had lost her voice due to inadequate training and over-exposure, singing roles too heavy for her too soon and too often. Cerquetti herself stayed silent most of the time, but occasionally issued public statements that this wasn’t altogether true, that she was under heavy emotional stress at the time because her father was dying (which was true) and that she chose not to return to the stage because she didn’t like many of the newer “conceptual” productions which she found distasteful. But of course, this didn’t satisfy the legions of Cerquetti fans who just wanted her to sing again, period, regardless of the cost to her.

Eventually, decades later, she revealed the whole story. Around the time her father died, she had married and had a daughter. By the time her daughter was four years old, her voice had returned to its former glory. But because she had been so young and perhaps because so much was expected of her due of the extraordinary quality of her voice, she was very self-critical. “After a performance,” she said, “I would go back to my hotel room and relive the whole day over again. Did I warm up properly, or enough? What did I do right in the performance? What did I do wrong, and why did it go wrong? How could I prevent that from going wrong in the next performance? It was all very stressful. After 1965, I was offered many chances to return. A few times, I almost gave in. But then I thought to myself, To return under the gun? Enough! (Basta!)”

Makes a lot of sense. A career onstage singing demanding opera is not for sissies. It is very demanding work. I do not handle stress well myself and had I had the voice and training my sister had I would not be able to handle an operatic career the way she did. Little Toastmaster speeches to no more than 50 is about my speed. I wonder if she was able to teach. She did not reveal any thing about that. I am frankly surprised we don't have more nervous breakdowns in singers. Maybe we do and don't hear about them. Even the great Callas supposedly had lots of problems with nerves later in her career.
 

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"Miss Cerquetti, who was just 26, had already impressed opera lovers in the United States, making her debut with the Chicago Opera in 1955, singing the role of Amelia in Verdi’s “Un Ballo in Maschera.” But while replacing Callas thrust her to a new level, it also took a toll.

For a time, Miss Cerquetti pulled off an unlikely twin billing — alternating standing in for Callas in Rome and performing the role in Naples, more than 100 miles away. In mid-January, suffering from what a psychiatrist called “nervous exhaustion,” she backed out of Bellini’s “The Pirate,” at the Palermo Opera. A psychiatrist, citing her heavy workload, prescribed sedatives and 20 days of rest.

She went on to noted performances at La Scala in Milan and elsewhere, and on Italian radio broadcasts, but just three years after those tumultuous days at Teatro dell’Opera, she abruptly retired and all but disappeared.

This time, it was Miss Cerquetti who faced questions. Had her voice failed? Did she have neurological issues? Heart problems? She blamed fatigue.

“I was very tired because I couldn’t sleep at night and during the day I sang,” Miss Cerquetti said in a 1996 interview with Stefan Zucker, president of the Bel Canto Society, an organization devoted to the history of opera singing. “It got to the point where I had absolute need of physical rest. Above all, I needed to sleep. This was from stress. But, thank God, my vocal cords remained intact and have remained so until today. This is the truth.”

She added: “So many things were said, understandably, because I had left my career at its most beautiful moment. It’s only natural that people asked why. And since everyone needed a reason, each one invented his own.”

Critics praised her natural talent but saw room for refinement, pointing out what at times was noticeably heavy breathing.

“Miss Cerquetti’s recorded performance of arias by Verdi, Bellini, Spontini and Puccini leaves no doubt that her voice is a remarkable instrument,” John Briggs wrote in The New York Times in 1957 in a review of “Operatic Recital by Anita Cerquetti,” one of a small number of commercial recordings she made. “Whether it is being used with skill is another question.”


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"But in 1961, after a so-so performance of Verdi’s Nabucco, she dropped out of sight and was never seen or heard on an operatic stage thereafter. For decades, the rumors spread that she had lost her voice due to inadequate training and over-exposure, singing roles too heavy for her too soon and too often. Cerquetti herself stayed silent most of the time, but occasionally issued public statements that this wasn’t altogether true, that she was under heavy emotional stress at the time because her father was dying (which was true) and that she chose not to return to the stage because she didn’t like many of the newer “conceptual” productions which she found distasteful. But of course, this didn’t satisfy the legions of Cerquetti fans who just wanted her to sing again, period, regardless of the cost to her.

Eventually, decades later, she revealed the whole story. Around the time her father died, she had married and had a daughter. By the time her daughter was four years old, her voice had returned to its former glory. But because she had been so young and perhaps because so much was expected of her due of the extraordinary quality of her voice, she was very self-critical. “After a performance,” she said, “I would go back to my hotel room and relive the whole day over again. Did I warm up properly, or enough? What did I do right in the performance? What did I do wrong, and why did it go wrong? How could I prevent that from going wrong in the next performance? It was all very stressful. After 1965, I was offered many chances to return. A few times, I almost gave in. But then I thought to myself, To return under the gun? Enough! (Basta!)”

Streisand didn't sing concerts out of fear for twenty five years at least. After she discovered anti anxiety medications she made a huge return to singing with the most expensive ticket prices in history. Horowitz didn't leave his apartment for many many years only to have a big return to the stage later in life. The great Ponselle quit singing at 40 when she was at her peak out of increasing anxiety singing in public. Luckily she did not stop recording.
 

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It must feel like a blood sport for some singers. Like they're going into battle in the Roman Coliseum rather than singing on an opera stage. I don't know how they take the pressure. I could never do it.
Or great singers like Callas and Tebaldi who had to deal with claques in the audience in Italy!!!! My sister never had stage fright singing and I never did speaking till my last speech which was to a very cold crowd that wasn't with me and it was a lot of work and I was nervous for the first time. Speaking in public is the number one fear in America and I would think singing Verdi and Bellini would add a great burden to that for many singers. Corelli had enormous self doubt and crippling stage fright before performances I've read.
 
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