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Sometimes I suspect that we problematize things too much, perhaps intentionally. But perhaps it's just a difference from one person to another.

For example, I can't think of any work of classical music that I don't enjoy at least a little. Even Bolero. Some things are not really my thing (for example Bruckner and Richard Strauss), but they're not painful to listen to or anything.

Nor can I think of many recordings that really turn me off. I don't like a lot of coughing, and I usually like recordings better the clearer they are, but I can only think of one recording that really turned me off. (Irrelevant, but it's Gardiner's Mozart's Requiem. I would throw it off the balcony, but I suspect I might like it someday.)

But it seems like a lot of the discussion is focused on what people don't like. The Second Vienna School? I don't see what the problem is. Stockhausen or Xenakis or Nono or Berio or whoever? I don't see what the problem is. Mozart? I don't see what the problem is. Higdon? I don't see what the problem is. Johann Strauss II? I don't see what the problem is. Minimalism? I don't see what the problem is.

So I don't relate to a lot of the discussion here.

But it occurs to me that there may be people who love music but don't enjoy it easily.

I'm like that with movies. A lot of movies bother me, bore me, disappoint me somehow. I'm ambivalent or nonchalant about probably the majority of movies. But the ones that get it just right, I really, really love.

I suspect that's how some of you may be with music.
 

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Well, there's a lot of classical music that I don't particularly care for, and plenty I don't really grok, but none that I can think of that I react to with undiluted revulsion. With one exception:
[shuns forever]
With me, it's Eine Kleine Nachtmusik. If I never hear it again it will be too soon. :)

My problem with music is usually that I enjoy it too much though. I get lost in the sensual enjoyment and thus never get to properly analyze it, thus missing out on a whole different level of enjoyment.
 

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You are correct. With classical music usually the worst that happens is I shrug my shoulders in puzzlement or boredom, but it is almost never outright hatred or contempt.

Country and some pop on the other hand can drive me right up the wall and can even make me physically ill. Those genres are not only hard for me to like, but hard to endure being counted as one of the same species that perpetrated them.
 

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I actually overanalyse...wait overthink music too much sometimes. I always want to know how much 5-star ratings an album got on Amazon, and I always search for grips in the music, like intervals or harmonic grades I recognize. So the cognitive part plays a role. Of course there are pieces which seem to always sensually, or emotionally grip me. But sometimes I feel even guilty for listening to that instead of learning more new stuff etc.

Certain recordings sound painful to me (bought a way to cheap Mozart box set once which had no depth or brightness in the sound at all, it would even mentally disaffect me), and certain musical genres also, but mostly classical music (the music itself) doesn't annoy me.
 

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I have to disagree with the other posters here. As the great J. F. Runciman wrote in 1896, "It is one's duty to hate with all possible fervor the empty and ugly in art; and I hate Saint-Saëns the composer with a hate that is perfect."

In short, music without hate is like an egg without salt. :)
 

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I enjoy it effortlessly. I dislike things not because they sound "bad" to me or because I don't "get it," but because I disagree with what the composer is communicating.
 

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I can't think of any piece of classical music that is "painful" for me to listen to. (At one point, Canon in D got close to painful, but it was because my friends and my neighbour from the other side of the wall kept playing it, rather than the fault of the music itself). However, I have to admit that there's a handful of pop songs that can drive me crazy.
 

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I have to disagree with the other posters here. As the great J. F. Runciman wrote in 1896, "It is one's duty to hate with all possible fervor the empty and ugly in art; and I hate Saint-Saëns the composer with a hate that is perfect."

In short, music without hate is like an egg without salt. :)
Whatever your intention, the actual effect of this post was to make me want an egg sandwich.
 

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I'm like that with movies. A lot of movies bother me, bore me, disappoint me somehow. I'm ambivalent or nonchalant about probably the majority of movies. But the ones that get it just right, I really, really love.
With classical music, you will invariably and often necessarily listen to the highlights - the pieces that have been preserved over time, usually due to high quality. Besides, getting a quality movie is more difficult because of the amount of people involved.

As far the general question, I share Science's general inability to find faults with the majority of the canon. All the better, no?
 

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With classical music, you will invariably and often necessarily listen to the highlights - the pieces that have been preserved over time, usually due to high quality. Besides, getting a quality movie is more difficult because of the amount of people involved.

As far the general question, I share Science's general inability to find faults with the majority of the canon. All the better, no?
Yes, almost certainly all the better.

It's a good opportunity to clarify - I don't only find the canon enjoyable. Well, perhaps no matter what I say now someone will say, "That's the canon!" But whether it's Andriessen, Ryu, Kilar, Shchedrin, Taneyev, Rosetti (Rössler), Luython, Zipoli - even there I just don't find much not to like.
 

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Problematize ?????Only an American would come out with that !!!
 
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There are few types of "Classical" music I cannot enjoy, of course, the level of enjoyment varies. Listening to some forms of Jazz and certainly "Rap" leaves me and my ears much more in conflict, hence I don't engage in listening to them.

I can relate to KenOC's "Hate is the Salt" analogy, but I really find that life is to short for me to engage in hate, instead, for me music is the salt that makes the egg bearable, thankfully, there is more salty flavours than I could ever wish for!

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A recent case of absolute non-tolerance in my case was

Riley:"Music for 18 Musicians"

- but I´m perfectly happy with setting my limit there. There´s a lot of boring or uninteresting music too, but no reason to get really outraged about that.
 

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Problematize ?????Only an American would come out with that !!!
1.) Usage here would have it "come up with that."

2.) Of course, dahling, a Brit would spell it properly, "Problematise" :)

3.) Got another Yank neologism for you, found in a personals ad: "Companionify me."
 

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I have to disagree with the other posters here. As the great J. F. Runciman wrote in 1896, "It is one's duty to hate with all possible fervor the empty and ugly in art; and I hate Saint-Saëns the composer with a hate that is perfect."

In short, music without hate is like an egg without salt. :)
Funny, I've not only heard of Saint-Saens, but also have heard some of his works, whereas, that writer.. the one you called 'great? Uh, come again?
 
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