" the truth that lies within the music itself"
IOW - subjective truth. Thank you.
right, you are listening for the subjective truth that you posit "exists" within the music....right, we get it.
Is George Szell one of your favorite conductors?
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IOW - subjective truth. Thank you.
That's good!! lol!! :lol:
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Which means its true essence, which is the exact opposite of something extra-musical!!!right, you are listening for the subjective truth that you posit "exists" within the music....right, we get it.
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I'd buy that jersey.
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Claiming that one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others is such absolute inane silliness that anyone who espouses such a claim deserves to be slapped about the head and face until they cease and desist. :lol:
Some prefer one conductor's approach, others another, and that's it, except that the conductor typically gets more credit than they quite deserve. It's all just taste, simple, banal taste, with or without attempts at justifying the preference, with or without employing vapid rhetoric or empty pseudophilosophy. In terms of the latter, I prefer without.
I like Szell's recordings. I like his better than Furtwängler's, because I find the latter to be on occasion sloppy, boring, and predictable. YMMV.
Who knows which of the two I'd prefer to play for. I'll never know.
(ETA: disclaimer, I'm not really advocating that someone who makes silly remarks on a classical music message board should be harmed physically. Er, probably not.)
Some prefer one conductor's approach, others another, and that's it, except that the conductor typically gets more credit than they quite deserve. It's all just taste, simple, banal taste, with or without attempts at justifying the preference, with or without employing vapid rhetoric or empty pseudophilosophy. In terms of the latter, I prefer without.
I like Szell's recordings. I like his better than Furtwängler's, because I find the latter to be on occasion sloppy, boring, and predictable. YMMV.
Who knows which of the two I'd prefer to play for. I'll never know.
(ETA: disclaimer, I'm not really advocating that someone who makes silly remarks on a classical music message board should be harmed physically. Er, probably not.)
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Right, True essence = subjective truth.....we get it already....just not buying it.
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So what's the counter to what I'm saying? The score is self-evident? There's no such thing as an ideal, it's all just random?
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"one conductor has access to "deeper musical truths" over others" = "one conductor does
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Victor Borge was a mere mechanical time-beater (* slaps Knorf around the face). James Last, on the other hand, put himself in the shoes of the composer speaking to the audience. Borge reads off in strict dictation like a stenographer.
Maybe I can't be seen.
But who was Victor, and how long shall the memory of James last?Victor Borge was a mere mechanical time-beater (* slaps Knorf around the face). James Last, on the other hand, put himself in the shoes of the composer speaking to the audience. Borge reads off in strict dictation like a stenographer.
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But that's not my claim.
We can all agree, I'm sure, that Florence Foster Jenkins plumbed the depths of all music she performed....her rendition of "Queen of the Night" aria revealed the profound philosophical truth of Mozart's creation!! lol!!Victor Borge was a mere mechanical time-beater (* slaps Knorf around the face). James Last, on the other hand, put himself in the shoes of the composer speaking to the audience. Borge reads off in strict dictation like a stenographer.
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How old are you?
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I dunno, have you ever heard Shura Gehrman's Schubert Lieder? Sounds like someone's trapped his fingers in a door. Lol. I don't do lieder anyway but that is painful. I have it on that Brilliant Classics Schubert box. I once used it to clear the house after a party. Worked a treat.
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Btw, Borge also asks a kid "How old are you?" at around 1:10 in the video I cited in [Post#130]. What I wanted to say with that post was "I think people in this thread are getting too serious they need to laugh and relax a bit, LOL! Both Szell and Furtwängler were equally great at their trade -why is there a need to quarrel over this issue?"
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Ask the people insisting on a continuous straw man argument. I made my opinion known pages ago. Apparently I'm not entitled to it.
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