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I was rather surprised to learn the other night that Mr. Williams has won 5 Oscars as I have never been a fan. Also, there seems to be much love for him within the small community here that accepts original scores for movies as classical.

My question is, why is he so widely acclaimed within film score? What is his best work in your opinion?

I am trying to find how this love is born.

I have a hunch that simply being associated with Star Wars has lead to an acceptance based more on familiarity than production. Thoughts?
 

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John Williams is by far the most successful film composer of all time, if not the greatest. I have avoided all-John-Williams concerts: a little of his music goes a long way. But there's no denying the talent and hard work. Maybe for some of us we grew up with his music. On TV he wrote a lot of scores for Irwin Allen such as Time Tunnel, Lost in Space and Land of the Giants. Then he went on to The Poseiden Adventure and Jaws - that music was part of our youth. Then on to Star Wars and so on.

I don't find his later work nearly as compelling or as much fun as the earlier work. The suite from Close Encounters (as recorded by Mehta) is wonderful, awe inspiring. Dracula, Superman, Empire of the Sun...so many great scores there. Schindler's List is quite a change from the blockbuster films, and very poignant. But like it or not, John Williams real bid to immortality is...Star Wars. The basic suite from the first film will eventually take its place alongside other suites like Peer Gynt, Nutcracker, and Grand Canyon.
 

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have a hunch that simply being associated with Star Wars has lead to an acceptance based more on familiarity than production. Thoughts?
Yes definitely not. Lots of his other film scores are just as popular well and well known, such as Harry Potter and Jurassic park to just name 2. He is absolutely accepted because of his production
 

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Korngold's reputation rests on a much smaller, and much older clutch of movies. He might be good at swashbuckling, but what else?

Williams on the other hand has a long association with one of the best directors mainstream Hollywood has ever had. (So long, and so close, barely anyone else got a look in after about 1997/8!)

I've certainly not recently heard anyone humming from The Adventures of Robin Hood or Kings Row, and I can only bring to mind a bit of the score from one of those movies.

I can readily whistle bits from Jaws, Potter, Superman, Indy, JP, Star Wars...
 

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I was rather surprised to learn the other night that Mr. Williams has won 5 Oscars as I have never been a fan. Also, there seems to be much love for him within the small community here that accepts original scores for movies as classical.

My question is, why is he so widely acclaimed within film score? What is his best work in your opinion?

I am trying to find how this love is born.

I have a hunch that simply being associated with Star Wars has lead to an acceptance based more on familiarity than production. Thoughts?
In terms of film music, I would say he's the most successful of all-time. His success is far-ranging and encapsulates many different genres of film. The only rivals I can think would be perhaps Jerry Goldsmith, Ennio Morricone or John Barry, but even each of these composers come up short in overall career retrospectives compared to Williams. The older Hollywood composers like Korngold, Steiner and Herrmann don't quite measure up in terms of overall impact either, but, of course, they're from an older generation, so perhaps this isn't a fair comparison.

I like John Williams, but I don't listen to any of his work (even though I do own several soundtracks of his music on disc) or any film music for that matter. I'd rather devote my listening time to composers that I love and adore.
 

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I only hope that Mr. Williams doesn't follow this discussion board. I agree with several of the preceding posters. His film music is very good but I wouldn't say great in an abstract, apart-from-the-movie sense. He has catchy, sometimes memorable themes/melodies and excellent harmonies and orchestration but something more deeply profound is missing. I like his scores for "Schindler's List", "The Book Thief" and "Empire of the Sun" best. I find the "Stars Wars" scores to be among my least favorite, primarily because they beat those main themes to death, and they are kind of hoky.

To my mind, he shares one thing together with Leonard Bernstein (as a composer): I sometimes have the nagging sensation that the melody or certain harmonic figures have been "borrowed" from previous composers. I am not talking about plagiarism, but rather too close an absorption, imitation of, or influence from some earlier composer. This is not a sin: there is no great composer who did not learn from or borrow from his/her predecessors. But sometimes with Williams and Bernstein, the influence just seems a little too direct. This seems particularly true for me with Williams' score for "Saving Private Ryan". Kind of Coplandesque.

I think the comparison of Mr. Williams and Korngold is apt: both wish to/wanted to be both semi-popular film composers and "serious" composers. Perhaps you can't have your cake and eat it too.
Don't get me wrong: I admire Mr. Williams' musicianship a great deal. I myself would not be able to score a 30 second toothpaste commercial successfully.

As a film composer, I like Alexandre Desplat a good deal. But I find that as he writes more and more film scores, the musicianship and quality seems to be decreasing. His earlier scores are best, to my mind. But he is not in the same classical orchestral tradition as Williams. It's a little more intimate, like chamber music.
 

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Well, this particular "poor man" is ecstatic with his lot. I think he is brilliant.

I have always found his film scores and the suites derived from them to be brilliant. Curiously, his more "serious" classical compositions, e.g. the various concerti, have not resonated with me to the same extent.
 

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It certainly helps that his music is closely associated with the most successful and one of the best mainstream Hollywood filmmakers ever in Steven Spielberg, and that he's also done scores for other films--Star Wars, Superman--that were among the biggest/most successful in cinema history. Star Wars may be THE biggest film franchise ever, and it's a film score that everyone who hasn't been living under a rock knows. I think John Williams, much like Spielberg, is pretty much the best at what he does. The question has always been about the value of what's being done, rarely about the skill with which it's done.
 

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Listen to the score of ET. I think it's his most moving work.
Coincidentally and a bit off subject but just a few days ago I made a metal note to watch Close Encounters of a Third Kind again

Guess why?
Years ago I saw and felt something strange.
It was not a year or two latter Close Encounters was released.
When it was released it was almost chilling as it was near exactly what I had experienced.

So a couple days ago I was watching something that spoke to the lengths Spielberg went to seeking out people who had close encounters before making the movie so he could be accurate to the consensus of the experiences.

I was pretty stunned again. I though my experience was but a really errie coincidence.
Now I am thinking it's hard to fluff off.
 

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I can readily whistle bits from Jaws, Potter, Superman, Indy, JP, Star Wars...
That's exactly the point I've been trying to make with concert producers: young people today know those scores and frankly like them better than the Mozart, Beethoven, Tchaikovsky and Brahms they keep playing over and over.
 
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