I know it's hard to keep threads airtight, but I'm a little dismayed that I need to go to another thread to be able to fully understand where you're coming from. I'm going to have to address your post #49 at a later date.
I'm sorry for the inconvenience, TalkingHead.
It also requires effort on my part to post these involved responses.
If you feel as if I'm 'brushing you off,' also realize that when I hear "I'm not sure where you're going with this" repeatedly, it tends to dampen my enthusiasm.
Actually, my motivation is innocent and sincere. Generally, this is where I am coming from.
This does not refer to you specifically, but only to a 'general mindset' which I encounter in dicussions about music, wherever that occurs.
I hear proponents of classical music talk about the listening experience as if it were something which requires a certain type of thought style, a mindset which is able to follow long passages over spans of time, and perceive forms and events with a very deliberate and controlled way of thinking. They make it sound as if the perception of classical music is somehow different than experiencing other forms of music.
I disagree with this attitude. While I admit that historical and technical knowledge of the vast history of classical music is admirable, and that this may set it apart from other genres in somem ways, and adds to the experience, and that I too have done some 'homework' in this area, this is all secondary to the full perceptual experience of music.
Since I have some theoretical knowledge of music, I am able to articulate this in practical music terms, such as ratios, hierarchies, harmony, etc.
The sum of it is that perception of music is instantaneous, natural, and universal. This opinion is at odds, apparently, with those who assert that, for one example, tonality is not perceived except as a long, involved thought and perceptual process of the conscious mind, which makes connections and relationships over spans of time, only. I disagree with this, and with the entire way of thinking this embodies. To me, the perception of any art involves a certain posture of receptiveness, not a controlling thought process.
However, different strokes for different brain-wiring and neural pathway styles. I realize that my position and ideas on this will never be accepted by some, because it just doesn't resonate with the way they think about things.
That's fine with me. However, and this may simply be an egotistical misperception on my part, but I feel that I have a unique perspective on this, due to the way I think about things.
I finally realized, after years of interacting with people who I now see as basically uncreative, or "too practical," or have knowledge which they have memorized, but never really "grokked" or understood on a basic level, or ruminated for hours about, or whatever, that a creative person, like myself, thinks differently about the most basic things. This subject is big enough to fill pages, so I will leave it at that.